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Bonus lessons in practice now?

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I just got the sentence "Donde fuego se hace, humo sale" in one of my general practice sessions on my iPad. This is from the Spanish Idioms lesson! Are all the bonus lessons being incorporated into general practice now?

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/856pm

This makes sense. Perhaps they will be added to the mobile version soon.

4 years ago

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revdolphin
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Oooh, I hope so!

4 years ago

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I don't think I have that, so maybe they're testing it with a subset of users.

Does your word count/vocab section also show more words (than 1571)?

4 years ago

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revdolphin
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Word count is the same. The bonus lessons don't appear in the app right now, but that one question from the Idioms lesson showed up in my random general practice. I haven't seen anything from Flirting or Christmas, but those don't decay as quickly because I tend not to miss as many questions on those ones.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flandybandy

I just did an experiment, and for me it seems like the idioms lessons are still not included. I will explain my experiment, maybe you will get a different result:

First some theory: Duolingo uses "word forms" to control which sentences, that are in which lessons. This is the reason why you sometimes see a word listed with a lot of different word forms, that seems like they are the same. For example, the German word for cat is listed as having 7 different word forms, while in reality I have only encountered two different word forms: Singular and pluralis. So in order to control which sentences that are in the 'Idiom' skill, they had to include a new artificial form of some common words: The "idiom form".

So I went to the page of one of the words from the Idiom-skill, and selected 'Practice Word'. This creates a training session with all the different "forms" of the word, thus if the "idiom forms" where added to the general pool of words to train, then I would expect to get sentences that train this form, and if not, then I would expect to get sentences with all forms except the "idiom form".

The result: http://i.imgur.com/rfDnO0s.png The "idiom form" was indeed the only form that was not trained!

4 years ago

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Interesting experiment. I went to the word "humo," which is one of the words in the sentence in question. I did an individual word practice and did not encounter the sentence. Then I decided to do it again, and there, it showed up once more.

How many run-throughs did you do?

4 years ago

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I did many. I have a very quick method to determine exactly what sentences I am going to get in a lesson ;)

But you did a different experiment than mine. What I wanted to test is whether the word forms from the Idiom skill have been added to the pool of word forms that are being trained in a practice session, since this is essentially what the question of whether bonus lessons have been added to practice translates to in technical terms. To do this you have to pick the word that is specific for this lesson -- se in your case.

My current hypothesis is that the system is unable to distinguish sentences from the bonus skills from the other sentences, so you might get a sentence from a bonus skill, if it contains another word, that you need to practice, but no matter how weak the word forms of your bonus skills are, you will never get a sentence because of this.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flandybandy

Are you sure that this sentence is not also from another lesson?

I just looked in my vocabulary, and the words from the bonus skills are still not showing up. What skill does it say that the that the words belong to, if you look them up in your vocabulary?

[EDIT] Looked up the sentence. This is indeed a sentence that predates the bonus lesson: http://www.duolingo.com/comment/1301091 Some of the comments do not have a time stamp, which, as far as I know, means that they are very old.
[EDIT 2] I retract the above statement. Seems like I was wrong about the time stamps

4 years ago

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The individual words come from other lessons (mostly the Nature lesson), but the idiom does not.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flandybandy

I just edited my message, but I guess you did not see it before you posted. See http://www.duolingo.com/comment/1301091 Some of the comments do not even have a time stamp, so it seems this is a sentence that was introduced way before the bonus lessons...

4 years ago

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revdolphin
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They take the time stamps off fairly early in the sentence discussions. If you look at the content of the discussion you'll see people are clearly discussing the idiomatic nature of it. Plus there's this: http://www.duolingo.com/comment/1319481

Edit: Also, look at this other sentence discussion from the idioms lesson. Again, no time stamps: http://www.duolingo.com/comment/1298548

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flandybandy

Yeah, you are right :) Seems like I was mistaken about the time stamps

4 years ago

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If you look at your vocabulary within the Idiom skill, are those words at full bars? When is the last practice for them? I think se is the only word from that idiom in the Idiom vocab list.

4 years ago

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Yup, se is at full and it corresponds with the timing.

Edit: The next most recent one in that skill says it was refreshed 5 days ago. Which seems a little off to me. I feel like it had to have been more recent than that that I practiced my Idioms skill.

4 years ago

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Well, that is definitely exciting!

4 years ago

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Oh, hmm. I certainly wouldn't mind if the Christmas lesson were incorporated into my general practice, but I've been relieved that the idioms were not. As I did the idiom lessons, I realized that I was not yet fluent enough to benefit from them. I couldn't think, "Oh, that's an interesting way to say that," because I didn't understand the literal meanings of the sentences.

Some of the grammar is still way beyond my level on the tree, and a significant portion of the vocabulary was new. I found it too difficult to learn the vocabulary, remember so much unfamiliar grammar, and learn the meaning of the idioms at the same time.

I'm at the level where I can buy and learn flirting. I've been avoiding it like the plague. I'll come back when I feel ready.

4 years ago