"Se tu non ce l'hai, allora dov'è la borsa?"

Translation:If you do not have it, then where is the bag?

January 20, 2014



Is it wrong to say, "If you don't have it there, then where is the bag?"? I thought 'ce' meant 'there'?

January 20, 2014


Apparently, "ce" means just about anything depending on context. Gander through this article for a little help: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1883864

March 19, 2014


I thought so too, can anyone explain please

January 24, 2014


Me too. I think the answer is "Se tu non lo hai, allora dov'è la borsa" . Please somebody help us!!

January 27, 2014


The use of "ce" is idiomatic, used in spoken Italian with "avere" meaning to have/possess. It becomes "ce" not "ci", in this sentence because it is used with another pronoun, "la" (la borsa). Also, because we are talking about "la borsa" instead of saying "se tu non la hai", it becomes, "l'hai". That's how we arrive at: "Se tu non ce l'hai, dov'è la borsa?" Your sentence is not wrong, apart from having to say "l'hai" instead of "lo hai" but the use of "ce" makes it more idiomatic, colloquial, more used in spoken Italian.

September 2, 2014


Do we always use ce before "lo,la,l' +avere" ?

September 11, 2014


What would be wrong with "se tu non l'hai"? It's the first time I see the ce appearing.

March 8, 2014


See Greg's comment above about averci.

April 19, 2014


How does "averci" come into play with this sentence? What does it mean? Does "Se tu non l'hai" not make sense?

January 7, 2016


"Se tu non l'hai" is fine in writing but people don't tend to say this, probably because leaving out the 'ce' makes the sound too brief. So I believe the 'ce' adds clarity to the sound. Similar thing happens in English we don't say "I've it" we say "I've got it" - We use the sentence with "got" probably because "I have it" when abbreviated is too short. In italian leaving out the "ce" might also confuse it with "là (there)" in the case of "l'ha".

January 13, 2016


Thanks. But what is "averci" and how does it come into play in this sentence?

January 14, 2016


Ok i see what your asking: "avere" is the infinite conjugation of "hai" As shown here. http://www.wordreference.com/conj/ItVerbs.aspx?v=avere

averci means "avere" + "ci" written here as "hai" and "ce" respectively.

January 14, 2016


Wow, what a screwy sentence... Not sure in English it makes sense.

April 25, 2014


Averci means to posess. The ci becomes ce before another clitic.

February 6, 2014


Yes, and this is the case where 'ce' has no more meaning than to accentuate 'avere' .. ce adds no meaning to the English translation. This was explained well in a discussion on a similar sentence.

April 11, 2014


I think of it as being vaguely like "this here". As in "I've got this here bag." Not because that's really how to translate it (it is surely not) but to show that English (at least in some dialects) also inserts words that add little or nothing.

April 11, 2014


This is really interesting because my Italian grandfather is constantly saying "that there..." "Hand me that there bag"

July 27, 2017


"I've got this here bag master"
It sounds like salve language from 'The Roots'.

May 31, 2018


"You point this here map... " Lt Aldo Raine

July 17, 2018


For anyone interested in this topic, search for "Demonstrative-Reinforcer Constructions".

Italian does something very similar to "this here" and "that there" in structures such as:

"Questo libro qui." (This book here.)

"Ho incontrato quel tipo lì." (I have met that guy there).

February 22, 2019


ce again what is its meaning in this sentence

May 21, 2018


Since "if you do not have it there, then where is the bag?" is incorrect here, how would you say it?

For example, I call a friend on the telephone and she tells me it is not there. I say to her, thinking out loud, "if you do not have it there, then where is the bag?

June 5, 2018


Where is 'it'?

November 27, 2018


"If you don't have it, then where's the bag?"

Not accepted. Native English speaker here, all I did was add contractions.

December 20, 2018


"If you don't have it, then where is the bag" was accepted today, 22/2/19.

February 22, 2019
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