https://www.duolingo.com/twelvetongue

Not enough pronunciation of Vietnamese

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Seeing as it's a tone language, having soundbytes for everything should be a priority.

5/8/2016, 9:19:02 PM

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https://www.duolingo.com/bumbleandtumble
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Yes, I completely agree, that is true. I have started Vietnamese (level one) and it doesn't have much pronunciation.

5/8/2016, 9:20:45 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/dkachx
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I find a lot of the sentences that lack audio introduction will have it available when you click on 'Discus Sentence' after solving the translation. Have you tried that? I find it helps me.

5/29/2016, 2:16:57 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/bernie75015
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Thanks for the tip, plenty worth a lingot!

5/29/2016, 2:46:00 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/bumbleandtumble
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Oh really? No, I did not know that. Thank you, I will try that sometime!

5/31/2016, 2:15:41 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/kuah

Unfortunately it seems there were limitations on resources. There are a few posts throughout the forums on pronunciation, so hopefully that helps a bit.

5/9/2016, 12:00:04 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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Correct - the languages that use real audio rather than a computerised TTS can only have audio on the sentences, not on every word. Same thing with Irish, Ukrainian and Esperanto. Will be the same for Hebrew.

It's unfortunate, but it's a technical limitation at Duolingo's end. We can't change that in the incubator...

5/10/2016, 7:05:10 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort
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These limitations can be solved. It's not a question of "can't", it's a question of it not being prioritized or people not taking the necessary steps to make it happen.

5/21/2016, 4:03:21 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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Although there is another thing you can maybe do - if you want to hear individual words, or the sentences that don't have audio, copy and paste them into here: http://www.vnspeech.com/en

5/10/2016, 7:14:07 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/marzman
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If you look at the duolingo vietnamese memrise course individual words have audio.

5/18/2016, 3:50:08 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/bernie75015
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Thanks for the tip. Before I download the app does it propose Northern or southern accent ? Or maybe both? Cheers

5/18/2016, 3:55:36 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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That's a good question, I think northern, but I'm not sure...

5/19/2016, 2:41:16 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/barb214445

PLEASE how am I supposed to learn vietnamese without pronunciation? do i tagteam with google translate?

4/6/2017, 8:10:46 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort
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I agree, and I've decided to hold out on taking the course until the audio is expanded to the level of a typical course. I'd rather wait and come back to it later when it's more fully developed.

5/21/2016, 4:02:13 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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You will be waiting for a very long time, possibly forever. The Vietnamese has the same amount of audio as ALL the real audio courses. The ones that have audio on every single word are the TTS courses.

The only way that it will be expanded is if someone designs a Vietnamese TTS in future that is suitable for Duolingo's use.

We have the same issue with the Hebrew course I'm part of the team for. And we will have all the same complaints (why don't all the sentences have audio? Why don't individual words have audio?) but there is nothing we are able to do about it, unfortunately.

5/21/2016, 6:32:24 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort
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It seems highly likely that someone will design a Vietnamese TTS, given that Vietnamese is a major language in the world, and the technology to make high-quality TTS systems has been improving rapidly.

That said, there would still be ways to record them word by word, and if their system doesn't support putting them in manually, it could be updated so this would be possible.

I'm a web developer and programmer. It's not a question of "can't" it's a question of it not being prioritized. There are a ton of things I could do on the sites I run and maintain, but I don't because I am prioritizing other things and have limited resources.

I personally wish DuoLingo could prioritize this, and I'd be willing to chip in resources to make it happen--if only they'd solicit donations for something like this.

5/21/2016, 2:32:51 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort
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The more I think about it, the more I find comments like yours unnecessarily negative.

I like imagining and visualizing positive things, ways the world can be improved. Since using DuoLingo, I've seen dramatic improvements in a very short time-scale. For example, I only started Portuguese three months ago, and during this time, I and other users had frequently complaints about the low quality of the computerized voice.

Just a few weeks ago, a whole new TTS system was released and the quality of the sound was dramatically improved. I had seen people engaging in "naysaying" like in your comment, saying things like "oh this can't be done". And then it happened, proving all these people wrong.

I don't understand it. Like what's the motivation behind making negative comments like yours? It just kills people's mood, if they buy into the ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. And that's what it is, ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Because my own life experience has proved time and time again that the negative things that people say to me about things that can't be or won't be, are just not true. Like, just this month I was talking to people in Delaware about how one thing I don't like about the state of Delaware is how it's so car-oriented and doesn't have good options for walk+bike+transit...and I was met with naysaying a lot like your comment in the pattern and structure of the ideas...and just a couple weeks ago the legislature passed and the governor signed into law some of the most progressive walk+bike+transit friendly legislation to be passed by any state. It's like the garbage I heard when I was a kid about the US never going to have a black president or a woman president during my lifetime. It's just utter trash that people are speaking.

I haven't even used DuoLingo for a full year, and I've seen HUGE improvements in virtually all the courses. I see them fix errors, I saw the voice improved in Portuguese. I saw the Russian course launched in Beta, and then I saw the course add the mic exercises and the voice recognition. I saw the quality of the lessons improve.

Basically all the hard evidence I see shows DuoLingo as a system that is like, rapidly improving. It's cutting edge. It's the best of the best, when it comes to language learning systems.

I come here into these forums and share suggestions because I think that, collectively, when people all share what they want, it gives a good picture of what the DuoLingo team could be focusing on.

I also think there's a sense of building solidarity with other users when we all agree that it would be valuable to have something. So like, when you reply with "no no no can't can't can't" to something like this, you're demonstrating a lack of empathy in your response. You have the opportunity to empathize with me and show solidarity but instead you shoot down the thing that I'm trying to advocate for, that it seems like all the users actually want.

The barriers and reasons for saying no to things that you give are all things that can be overcome. There are ways to talk about barriers that are constructive and truthful, and ways that just seem unnecessarily pessimistic.

When I encounter people voicing attitudes like the ones you seem to consistently express in this thread, I find that if I buy into them, it leads me into a place of thinking more negatively, and this is unempowering. It leads to bad results in my life. I thus find it disrespectful when people engage in naysaying because I don't think it's good or emotionally healthy for a person to end up in one of these unempowering states. It's like you're inviting me into a bad place...like, "Hey, I'm in this miserable depressed state where I think good things are impossible or very unlikely. Want to come join me?" My answer is no.

I'm going to continue to share my positive visions for how I think our society can be improved. If you have constructive things to say (like "That's a great idea I support you in that." or "Yeah, I feel similarly." or "Here's an idea of how to make this happen." or things like that), then great, but if you just want to engage in naysaying then I'll gladly block you.

5/21/2016, 2:51:48 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/bernie75015
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Hi, I have a question about one language you are currently studying. It is the one at level 5 with the yellow with red stripes flag. This flag looks like the old South Viet Nam flag. I could not find it in the languages proposed by Duolingo. If it is indeed for studying Vietnamese in the southern dialect I am very interested.

5/11/2016, 8:29:14 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/kuah

It is Catalan for Spanish speakers.

5/11/2016, 12:20:19 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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Catalan, it's great! Very beautiful language. But on Duolingo it's only available for Spanish speakers (so far), so you would need to know at least basic Spanish first.

5/11/2016, 10:26:44 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/atp40

I grew up in a Vietnamese-speaking household and am fluent -- people in Vietnam cannot tell I was born and raised in America. The application seems to think that there is only one way of saying certain phrases, when in fact there are multiple (sometimes even more concise) ways of saying things. I keep getting faced with these frustrating situations. I hope duolingo notices my reports and takes my translations into consideration. I'd love to help out!

12/7/2016, 11:43:31 PM
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