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Polish slang pronouns

so I started listening to Polish music recently and I heard they use a lot of shortened pronouns like twe (instead of twoje), then swe, me, mą, mym, etc. Is this common in slang speech or is it music only (to get it to rhyme)?

May 9, 2016

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https://www.duolingo.com/immery

It is not slang. Rather opposite

You can see those forms in this wikitionary table

Possessive pronouns ( my, mine, your, yours,...=mój, twój)

"ma, twa, swa... " Krótsze formy (po ukośniku „/”) mają charakter książkowy, nie są raczej używane w języku potocznym. Nie mogą być używane w pozycjach akcentowanych zdania, niepoprawne są np. zdania „Ma siostra robi obiad.” i „Dałem jedzenie memu i twemu kotu.”.

shorter forms (after slash/) have a bookish chracter, and are rather not used in common language. They cannot be used in an accented position i the sentence, so sentences „Ma siostra robi obiad.” and „Dałem jedzenie memu i twemu kotu.” are incorrect.

PERSONAL PRONOUNS (I, me, you, he, him = Ja, mnie/mię, ty, on jego/go)

You can also see "mię" = Dative=Accusative form of "ja"- alternative for "mnie", which is considered archaic (but follows rules of ciebie/cię)

also for weird pronouns, there is -ń form of "niego" ( Genitive=Accusative form of on, genitive form of ono). For example doń=do niego.

other pairs (or sets of three) of personal pronouns are equally used. Longer versions for accented, shorter version is for unaccented position in a sentence. n- version is after preposition

SOBIE=(...)self

and se= coloqial, impolite form of "sobie"

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

Short forms are used in common language quite often. Forms with ~ń are rather archaic and used mainly in books to imitate Old Polish or maybe in few expressions. And of course in older literature.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/immery

I dare you to google and find some "normal" sentences on the internet with short versions of possesive pronouns.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

Kocham cię.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/immery

that is not "possesive pronoun" I was talking about. That is "personal pronoun", and yes cię and ciebie are equally common, and neither is more formal.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

OK I see. I understood that the question is about pronouns in general, not only possesive ones. Sorry

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

so how come some of these are used often (mi, mu, go), and some are not common (me, mą, swa)

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/immery

I don't know why. But short forms of personal pronouns are common. (other than mię, for some reason). And short forms of possesive pronouns are uncommon/bookish

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

yes that is the difference

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

It is quite common. I’m not sure if there’s any rule about using them, to me there are equal forms, except more official language is, the more long forms will be appreciated.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/immery

actually it's the shorter forms that have more "formal" feel.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

I was several times corrected that shorter forms are more informal and I should use longer ones. Apparently they are pretty equal, and although there are some rules for standard speech not so many people cares.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/immery

Who told you this? Phrases like "swym dzieciom" "twego ojca" "mej miłości" just scream "church"/"poetry" to me. You google "twojemu" and anything can show up. You google "twemu" and there are church songs.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

OK, I checked it ant they are quite equal and it is not true that longer form is more elegant (although some people believe it). It seems that long form you usually use at the beginning of the sentence, after a preposition, or if you want to give more importance to it. Short form you’d use in any other situation. Still Polish is quite flexible so using it in a different way usually won’t be conisdered as a mistake.

Hope it helps

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

where did you check it?

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

I checked it here: http://www.wiadomosci24.pl/artykul/poradnik_dla_tych_ktorzy_uciekali_z_polskiego_2_43981.html

there is also an official website of Polish Language Council (Rada Języka Polskiego) but it seem not working now.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/immery

this article is about something else. It is about different case forms of pronouns. This thing comes up often in comments, where people ask "what is the difference between jego and go?" etc.

With those- you use longer version in an accented position - either at the beginning of the sentence, after preposition, often at the end or of if you want to make it accented. You use shorter version in not accented position. You use special n-forms like niemu, niej, nim after preposition.

those are equally used.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

It is about short and long forms of pronouns and how to use them. So it is about the Lica98’s question.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

but it's not the same thing with all short forms, "mu" and "go" are used even more often than "jemu" and "jego", but "ma" and "me" are used rarely and it's usually "moja" and "moje"

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

Yes, somehow some short forms are more popular than other ones. I am trying to find an answer, but I’m not finding anything... My guess is that we are in the middle of the language evolution and some forms are slowly dying, but I can’t find any rule. If you’d use "ma" or "swą" you’d be perfectly understood and it won’t be awkward, they are sometimes used as well. If I’ll find something I’ll write here.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

well as "immery" said those are not the same thing

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vegnio

OK I see where’s the point – I understood your question is about pronouns in general, not only possesive ones.

May 9, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/KapitanKaya

it's not slang

May 10, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

yeah I understood already

May 10, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/TheCooyon

btw, I rather think that it is used in songs because of rhyming purposes and the need of having smaller number of syllables ;)

May 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

yea that's what I wrote too

May 12, 2016
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