Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from May 8th to May 15th
Eggs remain ready to hatch
Several courses are almost ready to go beta. The Greek course seems the most likely to be the first! But you never know! :)
No Leader Extraordinaire this week
Unfortunately no course stands out to be given this title!
Steady competition between Hindi and Klingon
Looking at the data since December, 2015, there seems to be a healthy, steady and intense (add sarcasm here) competition between these two teams! They have been going neck to neck!
PHASE 1 Progress: Total 23 courses
Guarani for Spanish - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0)
Greek for English - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0) 30-May-2016
Esperanto for Spanish - 92% | 99% | 100% | 100% (+0) 24-Jun-2016
Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 100% | 100% (+0) ^
Hebrew for English - 100% | 99% | 99% | 100% (+1) 10-Jun-2016
Spanish for Chinese - 100% | 100% | 99% | 99% (+0)
English for Thai - 98% | 98% | 98% | 98% (+0)
Romanian for English - 84% | 84% | 85% | 86% (+1)
German for Italian - 84% | 84% | 85% | 86% (+1)
Spanish for Italian - 67% | 67% | 67% | 67% (+0)
Swedish for Russian - 64% | 64% | 64% | 64% (+0)
Portuguese for French - 60% | 60% | 60% | 60% (+0)
Italian for Portuguese - 47% | 48% | 50% | 51% (+1)
Swahili for English - 49% | 49% | 49% | 49% (+0) 1-Jul-2016 ^
Czech for English - 43% | 44% | 46% | 47% (+1) 17-Apr-2017 ^
French for Chinese - 9% | 10% | 46% | 47% (+0)
Russian for Turkish - 44% | 44% | 44% | 44% (+0) 31-Dec-2016
French for Turkish - 40% | 40% | 41% | 41% (+0)
Hindi for English - 26% | 26% | 26% | 27% (+1) 15-Aug-2016 ^
Klingon for English - 24% | 24% | 25% | 25% (+0) 1-Aug-2016
Korean for English - 11% | 11% | 10% | 11% (+1)
Indonesian for English - 7% | 7% | 7% | 7% (+0)
Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 6% (-2) 7-Jul-2018
Course - 3 weeks ago | 2 weeks ago | a week ago | Now (Progress delta); Estimated Launch Date (provided by contributors) (Date delta)
'Estimated Launch Date' only when provided by the course contributors
* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, & Swahili teams' progress is as per their own calculation
Mean - 0.29% | 0.38% | 1.17% | 0.22% (-0.95)
Median - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)
Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
(For Phase-1 and Phase-2 courses by default, and for Phase-3 courses per request).
بلوغ الـ 100 ألف متعلم عربي للغة الفرنسية على دوولينجو !>
أتم منهج اللغة الفرنسية لمتحدثي العربية 100 ألف متعلم ونحن جد سعداء بوصول المنهج لهذا العدد من المتعلمين. وببلوغنا لهذا الرقم تزداد حاجتنا الماسة لمساهمين جدد أكثر من أي وقت مضى كي نتمكن من ادخال بعض التحسينات للمنهج. الى كل من يريد المساهمة كل ما يتوجب فعله هو ارسال طلب للانضمام عبر الحاضنة. كما نتوجه بالشكر لجميع المتعلمين على دعمهم ومساعدتهم لنا بالمنتدى الفرنسي-العربي ونعتذر لهم على طول غياب معظم المساهمين. نعدهم بعودة قريبة وتحسينات على المنهج قدر المستطاع. شكراً للجميع وبالتوفيق
Recordings are on their way!
The recoding company we're working with, has started recording sentences and sent us voice samples. We are VERY satisfied with how the recordings sound and we can't wait for you guys to hear them! At the moment, the company has only recorded the female voice and will start recording the male voice very soon, so it will take a few weeks to record all sentences and import them into our course.
And to another topic - a week ago, we've locked our tree and it was verified by Duolingo staff! This means that the tree is well stabled and we can't add new words or new skills. Therefore, our course is 100% done, despite what the course page on the website says. We've also kept adding some final word images, edited translations/hints and wrote some additional tips and notes.
Like you guys, we are very excited to see the finish line ahead, but the last steps we're now doing are crucial steps for the success and the quality of the Hebrew course - so please be patient!
Have a wonderful weekend,
Team Hebrew, I know you meant recording and not recoding, but nevertheless this week's Star Update Award is yours for the taking!
¡Notas y 10.000 personas esperando el curso!
Se tradujeron las "notas y consejos" que tiene el curso de esperanto para hablantes de inglés, y por supuesto lo adaptamos a las necesidades de los hablantes de español. La gran mayoría de las unidades tiene notas claras y confiables, así que el aprendizaje será más fácil!
En este link puedes anotarte para que Duolingo te avise cuando el curso vea la luz, ¡ya más de 10.000 personas están esperando!
Another step done..!
sorry for having remained silent for two weeks — not too much happened in the meantime. However, I am happy to report that our tree has now been verified! I'm in touch with duolingo about entering beta now that that's out of the way, and as promised you'll hear about it as soon as things are going ahead!
In addition, we have also been "interviewing" some people to help out with the course, and we'll have some additional members soon, just in time for the beta phase.
See you in beta, soon!
939 words, 47%.
Less Talk, More Work
We have not been posting updates so frequently, however we have been working.
In the next few weeks we plan to continue and increase our work effort. Especially reviewing and getting feedback from Alpha Testers.
-We are at 1979 completed words
-We have images for 106 words
-Around 17 skills have notes
A quick update!
Thanks for all the love! We have not abandoned the course, we are now at 27% completion.
Greek and Guarani seem almost ready to go beta. Romanian and Hungarian are close to follow. There is indeed remarkable slow down. Would northern summer make a difference?
Previous Update 24-Apr to 8-May
Greek is almost here! Hungarian is coming soon! And Yiddish moved! Even negative percentage means progress is being made, so this is surely very good news.
With so many courses at 100% I'm glad the school semester is just finishing up. Hopefully a majority of them will release before summer session and I no longer have time to spend 5+ hours a day on Duo :-)
Edit: Apparently posted too fast because HEBREW IS ALSO NEARING RELEASE!! Oh what a great time to be on Duolingo.
I love the Czech updates. Short, sweet, and to the point. :) They went up another percentage this week, no surprise there. Edit: Does anyone want to translate what the French-Arabic team said into English, by any chance? Oh, and 5% progress total. Not an exciting week...
Something along the lines of 'we're excited looking forward to release. We're also looking to solve the increasingly severe need for new contributors, so that we can carry out improvements to the course. Anyone who wants to contribute please send an application through the incubator. We want to thank our learners for their support and help in the French-Arabic forum and we apologise to them for the long absence of many of the contributors. We promise we'll return to regular and quick progress of the course as soon as possible. Thanks to all and good luck.'
This is a very rough translation.
Some corrections: French for Arabic speakers is actually already released in beta. What they're excited about is having reached 100,000 learners :-)
Another rough translation:
"100,000 Arab(/Arabic-speaking) learners were reached for the French language on Duolingo!
The French for Arabic speakers course arrived at 100,000 learners and we are seriously happy about the arrival of the course to this number of learners. Upon reaching this number, the urgent need for new contributors increases more than any previous time so that we can introduce some improvements to the course. To all who want to contribute, all you have to do is send a request via the incubator. We also thank all of the learners for their support and their help to us in the French-Arabic forum and we apologize to them for the absence of most of the contributors. We promise them to return soon and to improve the course as much as possible. Thanks to all and good luck"
Ah, it confused me that they were already talking about learners (because I thought they were still in stage 1) so I decided to ignore that bit and make it say what I wanted it to say :-/
No problem! You got pretty much all the rest of it right and probably would have gotten the first part too if you'd had the context.
I find the French for Arabic updates to be written in a much "higher register" than Swedish for Arabic. It's very elegant but a bit more challenging for us Arabic learners. Take a look at the Swedish updates if you're interested, you'll see a difference! For example, for Swedish the team commonly spells out Duo-related words (like incubator I think) with phonetic spelling from English, whereas as you've seen, French for Arabic translates it to the precise word in formal Arabic.
Grammar of other languages (Not in the incubator)
YIDDISH IS ALIVE! It's awesome to see a course that has stalled for so long show a sign of life (even though it seems to be negative). It's great to see so many courses about to enter beta (Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian for English & Esperanto for Spanish at 100%!)
I honestly don't care how busy I'll be helping my family move this summer, I shall take some time out of my schedule to learn Greek.
Thanks for the update jitengore!
Has there been any word about Arabic for English speakers? The last I saw was this post from 9 months ago saying that English for Arabic graduated beta: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9968130
A course graduating from beta is always a cause for celebration, but in the case of our course, it is also a huge step towards the long-awaited Arabic for English speakers course.
You will see Arabic hatching anytime soon.
I think we have many priorities and qualifications to building ِArabic courses, because currently there are four courses in Arabic Language (English, French, Swedish and German), in fact all users on the site who are from another cultures have a curiosity to knowing this language like you ;)
I'm pretty sure Luis said in his Q&A that Duolingo would at least begin work on the course in 2016.
It seems like it was set to hatch, but then the refugee crisis hit and the English/Arabic team members split in multiple directions in order to provide relevant courses for arabic speakers. I'd imagine that once their other courses stabilize and they add more contributors to keep them going, they will turn their attention back to Arabic for English speakers
Hey Jiten, Team Hindi should race Team Klingon to phase 3. Hopefully, this will increase the teams' progress.
I leave for a month and come back and see all these courses at 100%.. Way to go!
Now that the Hungarian tree has been verified, does anybody have a rough idea when the course will (finally) launch?
(It's funny though, I thought that it would launch as soon as it was verified.)
No, verified just means that the course structure and content is done and has been locked in, but not that it has audio etc.
The team has indicated that the course is ready for beta in their updates. From their update: "I'm in touch with duolingo about entering beta now that [verification is] out of the way."
Yeah, it's confusing. I'm part of Team Hebrew (I'm the alpha tester) and our tree is completed and "verified", but we are still waiting for the audio recordings (and receiving multiple messages on Facebook every day asking when the course will come out :)
The amount of work that goes into the courses is enormous... Takes a long time.
I don't think anyone knows for sure. I believe the ball is in Duolingo's court. With so many courses ready to launch into beta, I wonder if they're being bogged down with requests.
Looks like we'll get 2 or 3 courses for English speakers by the end of June...plus Guarani for Spanish speakers.
Thanks all for your updates! I can't help getting excited about new languages, even though I have more than enough trees to work on already :)
Just a simple +1 in korean and hindi makes me incredibly happy.
And greek is almost here!
The estimation date in the incubator of the swahili course has been moved to the first of August :(
Greek! It says the estimated launch is May 30, but we all know how's the thing with this dates :D I just found out today that I'm going to work in Greece for the summer and I'm leaving in 2 weeks (on May 30, what a coincidence). Hope I can soon learn the language on Duo! :)
I am so stoked for Hebrew! It's one of the main languages I want to learn!
It's disappointing to see that most of the courses have ground to a halt and practically zero progress was made. Having volunteers create courses is an interesting idea and can be very inspiring, but this is an unfortunate downside of it.
A watched pot never boils.
It may be pithy, but the reason the saying exists is because if you are just staring at something waiting for it to happen, you are wasting perfectly good time that you could be doing something productive with elsewhere. Duolingo is free because they manage to delegate the work to volunteers. Volunteers also have lives they have to lead to support themselves and can't work full time on Duolingo. Them's the breaks. If you can't wait for a language to come out here, it is not like there isn't a vast jungle of resources out there on the internet to look at. Duolingo isn't even the be all and end all, it just happens to be a very fair bargain in a tidy package.
While I would like to see more progress, especially from those who haven't moved in quite a while, we should remember how much work even 1% takes. The Czech team made an optimistic estimation that a 2000 word course for a language as complex/distant from the source language as theirs would take 5000 person-hours. And currently we don't have that many courses between closely related languages.
Thank you for your understanding. We who work for free salute you.
I believe the linguistic distance between the course languages and the flexibility of one or both of them may additionally get confounded by low numbers of proficient speakers. For example, compared with the roughly 150 million Russian and 40 million Polish and Ukrainian (each) L1 speakers, our 10 million figure makes the Czech pool of potential volunteers that much shallower, arguably impacting the applications we see.
It finally occurs to me that after those three Slavic languages got in, Czech really was the next lowest hanging Slavic fruit for Duo, given that the languages of former Yugoslavia are too fragmented to count as a single one with maybe 16 million L1 speakers.
Not a whole of new courses have been added lately (I think Korean is the only one in 2016) and all the ones who had fast progress have either graduated, or are plateaued at ~100. So we are left largely with the same group of slow, silent courses and no hyper-enthusiastic newbies like Welsh was to replace them. However, not a single course has ground to a halt... Even Yiddish and French for Chinese have been active lately.