"This is not a shoe."

Translation:Das ist kein Schuh.

January 26, 2013

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Why is it "kein schuh", and not "keinen Schuh"? I thought "kein" was supposed to be used the same way as "ein". If I am not completely mistaken, Schuh is the object here and therefore akkusative, which means it should be "einen Schuch", and from that train of thought it should be "keinen Schuh". What am I missing here?


Actually "Schuh" is in nominative case because it follows the verb "sein" (ist) and since it is a masculine noun "kein Schuh" is correct.

check this http://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar/nomakkexpl.html


@dnovinc: Thank you so much for that link !!


Why doesn't "Das ist ein Schuh nicht" work?


Great website. Tks.


Thank you! But how are we supposed to know this?


By reading bits and pieces such as this page and the links. And by repetition here and there.

It's a fairly natural way--not too different from how kids learn to speak.


Because you can only use nicht with adj or verb or adj + noun


Why isnt dies used here? Thats more this than das is right?


Yes, dies is more "this" than das, but that doesn't mean that das is not "this" a bit as well.


Why is "Das ist keiner Schuh" wrong and "Das ist kein Schuh" right, when at the next question I get "Er trinkt kein Wein" to be wrong and "Er trinkt keiner Wein" to be right? This is most confusing, because they are both masculine.

Is there some specific reason why some forms are wrong, or they are just being evaluated as wrong in this lesson, when they really shouldn't?


"Er trinkt keiner Wein" is wrong as well.

"Das ist kein Schuh/Wein/Mann" is correct because for a singular, masculine, Nominativ object, the indefinite article is "ein" oder "kein"-- one doesn't add the -er suffix.

If the singular, masculine object is Akkusativ, however, one uses the -en suffix (not -er). So, "Er trinkt keinen Wein."

Remember, case isn't so much about position in the sentence, and when using a linking verb (z.B., "sein: bin/bist/ist/sind/seid/war . . . ") what looks like a direct object (normally Akkusativ) is not, and remains Nominativ.


"keiner" was a typo on my behalf, "keinen" was the word to write.

It is however clear to me. Nominative vs Accusative. Like "das ist ein Apfel" and "ich esse einen Apfel".



why can't i use "das ist nicht ein Schuh"?


Little late to the party but it is accepted now.

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    I'm trying to figure that out too!


    What is the difference between 'keine' and 'kein' when should each be used??


    kein is used before masculine and neuter nouns in the singular.

    keine is used before feminine nouns in the singular, and before all plural nouns.

    For example, kein Bruder, keine Schwester, kein Kind; keine Tiere


    This is close, and your example is correct, but you said keine is used "before all neuter nouns". This is incorrect. Even in your example you say "kein Kind", which is a neuter noun. Keine is used before feminine nouns in the singular and before all nouns in the plural case, as in your example, "keine Tiere":

    Das sind keine Tiere "Those are not animals" or in the singular: Das ist Kein Tier "That is not an animal"


    you said keine is used "before all neuter nouns".

    Yes - that was a mistake. I meant "before all plural nouns". Fixed now - thanks!

    all nouns in the plural case

    Plural is a number, not a case. German has four cases in the plural just like in the singular.


    "Das ist kein Tier," I meant, obviously kein is not a noun!


    shouldn't it be "deiser" instead of "das"?


    No -- when you are introducing something new, you use neuter singular, e.g. dies or das would work.

    Dieser would work for "this one", i.e. when you already know what kind of objects you want to speak about (and therefore their gender) and you want to single out one of them.


    Is 'Das ist nicht eine Schuh' wrong?


    It is, for two reasons:

    1. der Schuh, being masculine, would never have eine as an article.
    2. anytime you consider using nicht ein[e/er/en/es/em], you should probably use kein[e/er/etc] instead.

    The latter reason is more stylistic/custom than the former, which is a "hard" rule.


    I got it wrong but it said the correct phrase was "Deis ist nicht 1 Schuh"


    I thought it would be "keine schuh" kein "kein schuh" because keine is "not a" and kein is "not" ???


    I thought it would be "keine schuh" kein "kein schuh"

    It's neither of those. It's kein Schuh.

    schuh with a lowercase s doesn't exist in German. The capitalisation is part of the correct spelling.

    because keine is "not a" and kein is "not" ?

    That's not true.

    kein in all of its forms means the same thing, whether it's kein, keine, keinen or something else.

    In the nominative case (e.g. after das ist...), use kein before masculine or neuter nouns, keine before feminine or plural nouns.

    Countable nouns in the singular require a translation with "not a"; uncountable nouns generally translate as "not", as do plural nouns:

    • Das ist kein Hund. (masculine, countable) = That is not a dog.
    • Das ist keine Katze. (feminine, countable) = That is not a cat.
    • Das ist kein Pferd. (neuter, countable) = That is not a horse.
    • Das sind keine Tiere. (plural) = Those are not animals.
    • Das ist kein Saft. (masculine, uncountable) = That is not juice.
    • Das ist keine Schokolade. (feminine, uncountable) = That is not chocolate.
    • Das ist kein Bier. (neuter, uncountable) = That is not beer.


    Can anyone explain the uses of kein/keine/keinen to me? Danke!


    Why is "dieser ist kein schuh" wrong??


    Why is "dieser ist kein schuh" wrong?

    That would mean "This one is not a shoe" rather than "This is not a shoe."

    Use neuter singular (das, dies) when introducing something new to the conversation with "this is, that is, these are, those are".

    dieser would single out one masculine object out of a group of masculine objects that you have previously talked about, rather than introducing a new topic.


    So because nothing is happening to the shoe it's in the nominitive case and not the akkusitiv case? And that changes the conjugation to kein instead of keinen?


    So because nothing is happening to the shoe

    It's because the verb here is sein (to be).

    You would also use the accusative case with verbs such as haben (to have, own, possess), even though "have" is not an action that "happens" to the object that you own.

    sein is special, though, in that it takes the nominative case on the right. (Along with a couple of other verbs, such as werden "become".)


    The thing i don't get is why dieser is not used here.


    If you want to refer to an object that has not yet been part of the conversation you have to fall back on using the neuter singular pronouns "das" or "dies" for that thing/this thing/those things/these things. (They serve for plurals too. Note "das" and "dies" seem to be interchangeable as contrast between "this" and "that" isn't as strong in German as it is in English.) The reason you fall back on using "dies" or "das" is because of not yet having a gender for the object(s).

    Once you've named whatever it is by saying, for example, "Dies sind Schuhe" ("These are shoes") you have a gender - in this case masculine. If you then want to talk about one of the shoes you use "er", "ihn", etc. For example, you might say "Er passt nicht" ("It doesn't fit"). If you choose to point to one and say "this one" that's when you use the masculine pronoun "dieser". For example, you might say "Dieser ist schmutzig". One of a set of identified masculine things is dirty. Of course, if you prefer you can say "der" ("that one"). Look for the explanation by mizinamo on this page.

    By way of another example, imagine being in a clothes shop with someone. You come upon a rail of shirts and say "Dies sind Hemden" ("These are shirts"). You take one down and say "Ich mag dieses" ("I like this"). Though both "dies" and "dieses" are neuter singular pronouns I think there's a difference in how they are used: "dies" before identification is made, "dieses" afterwards. I'd be glad of clarification about this if anyone can help.

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