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Remembering Tones???

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I have a big problem....I can remember how to spell Vietnamese words...But I can never remember the tone that goes with them!!!

Help!

Any advice/tips/hacks etc that may help?

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/ckhadung
ckhadung
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In my humble opinion, you should try to refresh your perspective first. Most people approach this language by memorizing each Latin letters first just like when you learn most Latin-based languages (which is easy), then force themselves to memorize tonal marks later. This causes a problem: you brain tends to focus on the easier part which is the Latin letters and thus you have trouble recalling the remaining tones.

You can try breaking a word a part: consonant, tone-based letter, tonal mark. For instance, consider the word "trước". Breaking it apart: consonant "tr" + triphthong "ươc" + acute tonal mark (/), then proceed to learn the meaning of this word. (Try remembering "truoc" first and tonal marks later would make you learn slower)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/drbworld

That's good advice. I'll try to start doing that. Although that seems like it would take me a lot longer to memorized the tones still and meaning. Plus, it's difficult to recall the tones when they speak so fast on the practices.

2 years ago

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Think of the tone as just an additional letter. With the tone, initial consonant, central vowel, and final consonant, each word has at most 4 parts (a word could have as little as 1 part, such as yêu which is just the central vowel). This means you have less to memorize than you might think.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jungerstein
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Actually, the method is applied in some languages, such as Zhuang spoken in Guangxi, China (I happen to know it a little). In the backside of renminbi notes, there are texts like 'cunghgoz yinzminz yinzhangz it maenz' (the People's Bank of China, one yuan), with h (except in 'hangz') and z denoting the tones. [However, the assignations are not identical to those used in Telex IME for Vietnamese. ]

In memorizing words, they are helpful. For example: gwn laeuj (to drink alcohol). I remind myself: ils boivent les eaux, but we gwn laeuj -- a before e, j instead of x. Tone markers are too small, very easy to ignore. Even as a native speaker, I had a tough time to distinguish dàgū (auntie) and dǎgǔ (to knock a drum) in pinyin. [Here the letter is not Vietnamese ă --- Chinese ǎ has a wedge on its head, while Vietnamese ă has an arc. ]

Before 1982, the language even used created letters for tones. They were made to resemble the ciphers 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. (See the table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Zhuang) The letters 3, 4, and 6 were shaped identical to Russian letters з, ч, and ь (so lead types could be spared).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/drbworld

i just asked the same question from the guy who completed the tree. i tend to have the same problem. i dont have a solution but will be monitoring this thread if someone figures out a good method. Im redoing all the courses and trying to remember. I can guess some that are repeditive like "con cá" and "con gà". I guess i need to write it all out on flashcards and keep practicing. I probably shoulding continue the next lesson if i cant remember the tones. I'm so disappointed in myself considering i'm vietnamese who cant speak vietnamese and i heard it growing up my whole life...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TamjungRabbit
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I understand you. I'm a student of korea. (which is next to japan) English is my second language. I still can't classify difference between R and L sound well. Korean use only 'ㄹ'sound (which is similar to 'l'). B and V = 'ㅂ'. C and K = 'ㅋ' etc. So i listened and tested them over and over again. (test is VERY important...)

And it is also hard for me to remember the tone. haha... we'll get there in the end!

I recommend you the course in memrise. http://www.memrise.com/course/802446/vietnamese-basic-pronunciation-vowels-tones/

2 years ago

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JCMcGee
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Brilliant...thank you, and good luck! 고맙습니다.

2 years ago
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