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"Mae Môr Iwerydd yn fawr."

Translation:The Atlantic Ocean is big.

May 27, 2016

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/harlandski

What's the connection between Môr Iwerydd and Iwerddon? How would you say "The Irish Sea"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ibisc

Iwerydd and Iwerddon (Ireland) almost certainly have the same historical origins, perhaps connected as well with gwyrdd/gwerdd (green)

  • Môr Iwerydd - The Atlantic Ocean
  • Môr Werddon, y Werddon - The Irish Sea
  • Môr Celtaidd - The Celtic Sea (the part of that Atlantic between Ireland, Wales and SW England)
  • Môr Hafren - The Bristol Channel (between SW England and south Wales, which joins the Severn estuary with the Celtic Sea/Atlantic)

There will be other variants, too!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iwc2ufan

Can someone unpack this for me grammatically? I realize that is a fairly vague question, but I really don' t get what the individual bits mean. Why does it need 'yn' for instance. I felt like with the weather unit I was starting to get the feel for how to use adjectives in Welsh, but this has thrown me. Diolch!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ibisc

A note on the uses of yn is here - https://www.duolingo.com/comment/13844144

  • mae - is
  • Môr Iwerydd - (the) Atlantic Ocean
  • yn - (just a word to link mae Môr Iwerydd with the adjective mawr - it has no equivalent in English)
  • mawr - big/large (mutation of mawr -> fawr because it follows the linking yn)

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iwc2ufan

Thank you. It wasn't just yn though. It seems like there are several ways to make a sentence with a subject, a form of is and an adjective in Welsh. I just don't really grasp the differences or perhaps I am remembering wrong. There was another in the same lesson that didn't have an yn and was a similar sort of sentence. I think it was something like America is big. I just only had it for the first time this morning, do I don't remember the Welsh sentence.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rmcode
Mod
  • 1967

The simplest way of saying 'something is adjective' is the above.

eg The dog is big = 'Mae'r ci yn fawr' The car is red = 'Mae'r car yn goch'

Where 'Mae = is', 'r = the'; 'yn' joins the adjective to 'is' and softens the following adjective.

The example you're thinking about is:-

'Cyfandir mawr ydy De America' = 'A big continent is South America' which is transposed to 'South America is a big continent'

The reason for changing the word order is to emphasise the first word or phrase.

Which you would show with intonation in English

'South America is a BIG CONTINENT'

This is not as common as the simple sentence.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OliverMundy

I notice that the names of seas and oceans seem not to require the definite article, in contrast to most other languages. Is this a general rule?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ibisc

With exceptions, as always - see my note above with y Werddon as an option for 'the Irish Sea'.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ThomasoFflandrys

In this sentence the Atlantic is Môr Iwerydd. The Cymraeg Wikipedia article is Cefnfor yr Iwerydd. Are both forms correct?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rmcode
Mod
  • 1967

The Atlantic Ocean's official name in Welsh is' Môr Iwerydd'.

Cefnfor is the word for 'an ocean' and so the Wikipedia article is just a literal translation.

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