Shortest and Longest Courses (Greater Detail)
Good evening! I recently uploaded my list of Duolingo courses for English speakers based on the number of skills. Now I'm giving them to you based on the number of actual lessons. And now the list looks a little bit different:
- Ukrainian-209 (BETA)
- Vietnamese-316 (BETA)
- Welsh-317 (BETA)
- Swedish- 325
Interesting; Turkish felt much longer than Esperanto or Spanish to me. And Danish longer than French. Italian certainly felt long, however.
One thing this doesn't take into account is the length of the lessons: in some courses (e.g. Welsh) almost all the lessons seem to be very short (as few as 6 questions), whereas in others (e.g. Italian) most of them were much longer (maybe 18 or 20 questions). I've no idea what determines this, or even if it is the same for everyone. It doesn't appear to be simply down to the number of words introduced, as I've had long lessons with only five new words.
Yes; thinking back, it probably felt long to me because I agonised over practically every little bit of it, unlike most other languages on here where I can relate most things to something else I already know. I think it was my second tree after Swedish, where most words have an obvious cognate and the grammar is almost the same as English, so my judgement is undoubtedly warped.
I think that all lessons are the same length for stable courses. If you make no mistakes, they are 17 questions. However, when the German course updated, it opened up skills near the bottom of the tree. Some of them required as little as 3 correct answers to complete! This is probably going to happen with beta courses, and newly updated courses.
Garpike, I'm just working my way through Esperanto, and noticed something interesting in terms of length of lessons.
The first bunch of lessons were quite short, which made it easy and fast to get through them. Then, they became longer and longer... and longer. And for the last big 80 to 100 lessons or so, they've all been either at 20 questions or close to it (not counting repetitions due to mistakes. And I'm not even finished! Another 40 to go.
I can't say much about the other courses, but they also kept taking longer and longer, particularly French. I almost didn't want to finish it. Even Japanese had that issue. It got outright painful!
Right now working hard at finishing Esperanto. If/when I do a new language, I'll pay close attention to length of lessons as I work my way through the course...
Piguy3, you're right about Japanese. The early lessons felt shorter to me since I could go through the very early lessons more quickly, especially when I was reviewing them (many hiragana lessons and easy words). Heck, I even did timed exercises with them.
In the later lessons, though, the sentences were getting more and more tedious, and were driving me crazy! Some of the last few dozen exercises were taking me up to half an hour EACH!
Hebrew has a lot of lessons. I haven't counted, but it has a massive tree (the main course guys had to request Duolingo to add an additional checkpoint), and basically every skill has 6-10 lessons. I suspect it might push itself a long way up this list.
Note that Irish tree 2.0 is coming, that will see them go up a few rungs...
If each lesson introduce seven new words (which, in my entirely unscientific opinion, frequently seems to be the case), then Hebrew's 2833 words translate to c. 409 skills, which puts it in the last four.
Incidentally, do you happen to know if Hebrew will have audio for all its sentences? The lack of audio in so many sentences in the Vietnamese course is a little disappointing; yet I read that the Hungarian course will have every one its sentences recorded, so I'm hoping this too will apply to Hebrew. I'm most looking forward to it!
No, it will basically be the same deal as Vietnamese, Irish, Esperanto and Ukrainian (the "human recorded audio" courses). No audio on the individual words, and not on all sentences (the majority though will have it).
I don't think Hungarian will have every single sentence either, not sure where you heard that. I could be wrong, but I can't see why Duolingo would do it for them if they didn't do it for all the others.
The "real recorded audio" courses only have a certain number of sentences with audio. The same number in each case as far as I know (from memory it's 5,000 or something). Duolingo set this as a figure basically for what they are able/willing to spend money on.
What a lot of people don't understand, is that the guys in the teams don't directly have anything to do with the audio, except for recommending some voice actors professional company, but all the actual work is done by Duolingo centrally.
Recording audio is actually quite expensive both in $ and time required for Duolingo. Hebrew finished the tree quite a while ago, but recording the audio has taken literally weeks. Hebrew though has the complication that the verbs mark gender so any sentence starting with "I am (verb)ing..." is different depending if the speaker is male or female. So they needed two voices - a male and a female. The recordings sound great so far though, they are pros.
Many thanks for you reply; I was just wondering. I don't know the ins and outs of these things, but I have noticed that the new Irish voice seems to have considerably more recordings than the old Irish voice, for example (unless it's lacking in the parts of tree I've not got to yet).
Re: Hungarian, AndrsBrny wrote in a recent update '..our duolingo contact confirmed this week that we will get the same high-quality audio recordings for all of our remaining sentences', which looked pretty conclusive to me. Perhaps the company that does the Hungarian recordings doesn't charge so much? Of course, I understand that Duolingo doesn't have limitless funds, but nevertheless, hearing a real recording is inordinately helpful. I'm surprised they don't try to get volunteers to fill in the gaps for free (it might be lower quality than professional voice-actors, but it would still be better than no recordings at all).
I could be wrong - Airelibre above wrote that we have 7,794 sentences recorded, which is mofe than I thought. I remembered previously Mazzorano saying on the Facebook group that we got 5,000 but maybe they increased it.
And you are correct then - if that's what Andras said, it's probably correct.
I just noticed an interesting thing. It is not possible to finish the Norwegian tree earlier than level 13 (522 * 10 XP = 5220 XP, Level 13 benchmark is 4900 XP) however both the Turkish and Ukrainian trees can be finished before the double digit level mark. Thank you Wesley for sharing this interesting information :)
This is actually really helpful for deciding what languages I should learn next! Also 522 lessons is crazy! I haven't reset my Norwegian tree but I am going over each new skill again for the part I have completed and I have a feeling it is going to be awhile until I finish! Funny to see I am doing/have completed the three longest trees and the two languages I want to take up are the shortest ones (so basically I'd be doing the three largest and the three smallest courses haha).
Seriously, that would require 17 different links, one for each language, because they are all located on different pages. Honestly, I only wrote, "The [language] course from English has [number] skills, and [number] total lessons," for each entry on the wiki.
Nonetheless, here is a link to the French page, as an example - http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/French
If you really need more, I can provide them, however.
The longest tree for sure is now the A/B French tree12 (from English) with 156 skills and 741+6 lessons!
French detail stats: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29741879