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"Sou uma mulher negra."

January 28, 2013

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/victordw2.0

In English, we have to determine the subject of the sentence, because there are subjects that have the same verb conjugation. As in Portuguese the conjugations are different, you know which is the subject only by conjugation of the verb, so no matter if they appear with or without a subject, the sentences have the same meaning. (if it has something wrong, I'm sorry, it's because I'm Brazilian, and I don't know writing English very well XD)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/incapability

Thank you, it makes perfect sense now! Your explanation was very good.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shaunalouise

Just as an interesting side-note, in Irish the correct way to say a 'black person' translates literally as a 'blue person', the Irish for 'black man' always having been another word for 'devil'.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/incapability

What's the difference between "Eu sou um -" and "Sou um -"? They appear the same in translation.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eire123

English has to put a pronoun such as I, You, He, She etc to distinguish between verb conjugations. I go, You go. The word "go" is the same in both cases so the word is need to distinguish whereas in Portuguese, the word go is different.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rohanemon

They both mean "I am a/an..." but Eu sou um directly translates to "I am a" as Eu means I and Sou means am. Whereas in "Sou um", the translation "I am a" is implied by the "am". For example, you can't say "you am" or "she am". They're both the same thing.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CapitaoLouco

Eu = I, Sou = I am, so "eu" is just the pronoun for I and you can stick it in there if you want but usually it's just put in there for emphasis


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/irreverend

A friend of mine who speaks BP says that "❤❤❤❤❤" in reference to a person is in fact very offensive. He says that in Brazil they say "preto" instead. Anyone else know about this?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/garete8517

That is correct, "❤❤❤❤❤/a" is rude/offensive whereas "preto/a" is not as much


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/arvore

I'm not sure. The dictionaries agree with you, but if you Google it, people make comments like "eu nao sou preto sou ❤❤❤❤❤ esse termo preto e' offensivo" (i am not preto i am ❤❤❤❤❤ this term preto is offensive)

Could a native lusophone clear this up?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vivisaurus

That is not true. At least in Rio and Sao Paulo (and in journalism), the politically correct way to say it is ❤❤❤❤❤ and negra. That is also what the media uses, and I have never seen the news use "preto" or "preta" to describe anyone, that would just be too awkward. They use "mulher negra" "homem ❤❤❤❤❤" and "pele negra".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CapitaoLouco

Depends where you go, maybe just avoid referring to people using colors and you'll be fine.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kaoriocha

Isn't ❤❤❤❤❤ is an English word for black people? I'm not a native English speaker thought, but when I read 'Uncle Tom's Cabin", the author used '❤❤❤❤❤' to indicate the black people. Though it's from the time when enslaving was still legal, so the word might me a little offensive now. But regardless, shouldn't "I am a ❤❤❤❤❤ woman" be grammatically correct?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/arvore

It's grammatically correct, but old-fashioned and possibly offensive.

There are a lot of different ways to refer to people of African ancestry in English. "❤❤❤❤❤" at that time (1800s) was fairly polite, but would probably be considered slightly rude today. "Colored person" was the polite form for a long time, but sounds insulting now. "African-American" is what careful Americans, like politicians, say. "Black" is slightly less safe, but not rude. There's a six-letter word which sounds a little like "❤❤❤❤❤" in Uncle Tom's Cabin, which I won't type here because it's very offensive, although sometimes black rappers use it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Meromorphic

Incidentally, a small but possibly interesting point about the term "colored": it survives as part of the name of a major U.S. civil rights organization, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP -- "N-double A-C-P" orally), which was founded when the term was positive and still current (1909). They've stated that they don't think the term is offensive, even if it is outdated now, but that's a minefield I wouldn't walk through.

As for Arvore's six-letter word (and its five-letter slang variation), it is customary in English to say/write "the N-word" in most contexts where it must be brought up in order to avoid saying it -- navigating when it can be used as part of direct quotation or as part of an artistic endeavor is also a minefield, only now with nuclear mines. Best not to go there.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UmaJulz

It all depends on in which country you are using these terms.

"People of color" in the US, includes all who are not caucasian or Asian, and we don't/can't use 'colored people' anymore. African Americans in the US have chosen to be called "Black", making '❤❤❤❤❤' offensive to them.

In Brasil, often people are called "Brown" which includes blends of ancestry along with Indigenous people. However, in Brasil, ❤❤❤❤❤, Nega, Negão are all used without offence amongst my friends, and as stated above, 'pele negra' or 'pele bem preto' (meaning that someone has beautifully black skin) are not unusual.

I hope the creators of this site can take these things into account- you don't want to mislead people, especially in what can be a sensitive subject (as it is here in the US).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/positivismus

In Italy it's quite different. We have the form "❤❤❤❤❤", but it's considered the most offensive one (it corresponds to the english "ni**er"), and the acceptable ones are " di colore" ("colored") and "nero" ("black").

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