https://www.duolingo.com/MMajko

The new iOS Duolingo update is bad

Why did you remove the Profile section? I can't now see my XP progress, I'm missing the small chart that displays last few days progress. The small circles are absolutely useless, since they are inaccurate and practically displays this formula: (my_real_XP_gained MOD my_XP_daily_goal). It's nonsense.

The bottom bar (displaying Learn, Social, Shop) is against iOS style guidelines, it's way too big.

Why have you done such bad update? :( I can't see any UI improvements there, it's just made things worse.

On the other side, I appreciate the quick way to switch courses. But that's probably the one and only good feature the update introduced.

tl;dr - Give us the small XP progress chart back.

June 7, 2016

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https://www.duolingo.com/ionasky

Agreed, treating us like mushrooms, keep us in the dark and feed with..... Why on earth would we want to track our progress, its not like this is a learning environment is it?

Duo complains about the cost of keeping going then wasted effort and money 'fixing' things that are not broken. The exact same way facebook does. Without consultation or regard for user needs, make work for tech types. Sigh.

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MMajko

then wasted effort and money 'fixing' things that are not broken

I thought exactly the same thing.

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal

Without consultation or regard for user needs

They do "consult": with A/B test (so everyone is "consulted", not only the one of us that post in forums etc).
Are they doing it right or not is another question but they do adapt to all users in average.

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/ionasky

With respect jrikhal A/B testing per se is not the developmental or business definition of consultation, it is a stats driven data collection exercise and allows little or no actual feedback. If we do not know the paramaters being tested for and how they pan out by known demographic segmentation criteria then this statement offers no additional information.

What a ten year old learning becaue they have to and a forty year old learning because they want or need to are two very different things.

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal

then this statement offers no additional information.

To us, no. But Duo is the one making the choice so only them need to know the parameters etc.
Not saying I wouldn't like to know them, I'm curious too, but since it's their choice, their company the data collected by A/B test is all the "feedback/consultation" Duo wants to have.

What a ten year old learning because they have to and a forty year old learning because they want or need to are two very different things.

Yes, but Duo makes its product for all on average. That's what they do (good or bad)...

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/ionasky

I completely understand the 'take it or leave it' approach adopted by Duo. But that doesn't mean it is inherently 'good' analysis and that better engagement might not lead to better outcomes, on average.

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/centime

Switching between languages seems to have been simplified.

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June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MMajko

Yes, I've mentioned it.

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal

Cf. this 1 hour older discussion about the same subject (in the same forum), let's have only one discussion about a given subject.

Why have you done such bad update?

Probably to match things between apps and webversion which one has switched to this "new" circle display long ago and the fact it has been done long ago on webversion and not reversed back make it unlikely they will reverse it back on iOS.
Note: Not saying it's an improvement or not, just answering the (probable) "why" reason. ;)

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MMajko

But the progress chart is still visible on the web version, so why it's been removed from iOS app? :/

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal

Maybe because having both would take too much place?
(And since Duo seems to prefer the circle version, they keep that one between both).

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MMajko

I don't think so. How come it didn't take too much space before update?

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/psionpete

I agree with you regarding the Profile section (although you can get the same info on the web interface) but everything else seems fine to me. I'm not sure what you mean about the bottom bar being against Apple's guidelines but they are only guidelines after all and Apple do performa some checks before allowing in the AppStore. I certainly would not call it a bad update.

June 7, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MMajko

although you can get the same info on the web interface

I stopped using the web interface, because I'm currently learning Russian and I'm using a software keyboard on my phone and I really don't want to switch to the web app just because I want to have a quick look on my progress.

June 7, 2016
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