"זה השום שלךְ?"
Translation:Is this your garlic?
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You're right, it reads "זה השם שלךְ" (is this your name). You should report it (I can't report it from the discussion board).
Aug.2020: happy to report that it has been fixed it and the new audio says שום correctly: zeh ha–shUm shelakh
That is awesome!!! The "zeh guy" is a MUCH better speaker than the guy who does the majority of the words! Question though, it is now Oct 2021.... and nothing has been done with the audio..... been stagnant this entire time. Any updates?
Yes I had it as a listening exercise and recogbized it as HaShem "the name"... got it wrong obviously.
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"He" was just recording text, programmers have to adjust recordings to text in very long tables, so it's just a mistake, thats why they have a "report this". I'm not a doctor or something but uf those mistakes drives you nuts, you probably need professional help, IMHO.
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And brown means "chum": חום. So a funny way to remember the words for garlic and brown: שום חום. Brown garlic. :)
That will surely help me remember the word. Worshipers of godlic. Don't think it would make garlicians popular if their faith requires eating a lot of it. ;)
The audio sounds like השם (hashem) = the name. The word reads hashoom השום = the garlic
Aug.2020: happy to report that the error has been fixed and the new audio says שום (garlic) correctly: zeh ha–shUm shelakh
The problem is that the audio was recorded with a professional voice actor (the same one from my textbook, apparently). To correct it, they would have to record it again. I don't know if they have the budget for it, and I believe the suggestions the mods presented to the staff to solve other problems like this were rejected, so it's possible the audio may not be corrected, at least in the foreseeable future. On the other hand, it's just a small, incidental mistake, so it is not such a big problem -- well, at least on the web, but the mods cannot do anything about the gem system either.
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They should just disable the audio for this sentence then. There are lots of sentences with no audio, better than having this incorrect, misleading recording.
I think there was probably a typo in the list of phrases given to the actor, and the spell check didn't pick up on it because there is, after all, such a word as השם .
I don't think any Israeli would say "hashem" when presented with the word השום.
There are other records of the word with the same actor. It would take about a minute to edit the audio and insert a correct pronunciation for any savvy computer user.
Hiring the actor who will not charge per word but the time it took to get to the studio, etc. A volunteer editor might be able to insert the correct audio from the word from another recording but I guess it's not that easy or it would have been worked out by now.
Well, the way I see it, this could offend religious people who know what HaShem means. Like do not take the Lord's name in vain. So I agree that if it's too expensive to rerecord, this question should be used without audio.
No no no, it's not gonna offend anyone religious because 1) it's an obvious mistake, b) saying "HaShem" is not taking the Lord's name in vain; it's actually designed to be a way to NOT do that, c) the sentence as it is current read aloud just means "Is this your name?" which is a perfectly normal acceptable thing to say/ask.
They could just withdraw this sentence. It's not like the whole Duolingo Hebrew tree depends on it.
Shem is correct. That means name. The written part is wrong. שום means garlic.
Duolingo has finally given contributors permissions to change the audio. I have disabled the audio of this particular sentence and we will reassess all others.
What about "Is this garlic yours?". It is also marked as incorrect, but I don't get why
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This issue causes many questions. Please review the Tips for the "Adj. Intro" skill on the Duolingo website (not available, yet, in the mobile app, Feb 2020). Especially study everything under the "Summary of Simple Phrase Structures" heading.
Also, here's a link to the notes for many of the course skills on one web page:
https://www.duome.eu/tips/en/he
Suggestion: Since duo are not able to change the audio, why not change the translation instead? Would not the correct translation be: is this your name?
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They must not change the English translation without also changing the Hebrew text. They could, of course, change both the English text and the Hebrew text to match the recording.
Despite all of the feasible options, instead they do NOTHING,
Perhaps there is an alternative pronunciation, say, dialectal, and there is no mistake?
No. i=It clearly sounds as shem, not shum, or shoom. There isn't different dialectal or alternative pronunciation. Shem = Name, God. Shum = Garlic, Nothing.
An actor, like everyone, can get something wrong. But there should be a quality check before the mistake gets to the customer and another quality process to withdraw an error after it's out. That's a lack of professionalism from many people failing here.
I find this a bit hard to believe. But it is now september 2019 and the audio is still not corrected. Lots of exercises that now sport blanks for us to fill in have the Hebrew going left to right. I have been reporting that, too, for many weeks now and nothing changes. Perhaps Duolingo is no longer considering user input?
Francisco, I have personally disabled the audio of this sentence! For some reason it keeps coming back every now and again. Let me look into this more closely.
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NaftaliFri1: As you said in reply to genistv, in this sentence exercise, the subject is "this" (i.e., not "garlic").
So, "this garlic" is not part of this sentence.
Edit: It's "your garlic" that is part of this sentence.
I HEAR "SHEM SHELAH", NOT, "SHUM SHELAH". IS THAT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE PRONOUNCED.?
which is a shame, given the importance of the word Shem . Hopefully it will be.
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OK, this has been reported for at least a year before I arrived at it. Could someone please fix the audio?
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This audio says "shem" when it should say "shoom." That changes the meaning of the sentence. Thanks for your attention.
Two years later and the audio or the text was not corrected. To make things easier, just change the text.
Yes, the voice says hashem rather than hashum (Nov 17, 2018). I looked up שום in Dov Ben-Abba, Hebrew/English Dictionary (1977) and it states that שום is pronounced SHUM and has the sense "garlic; name; something." Since this is the food part of the tree, it clearly means garlic. But the sub-meanings of "name" and "something" have me curious and I guess I can wait until further in the tree to figure that out, but if a Hebrew speaker wants to chime in I would be interested.
I just checked in Even Shoshan dicitonary, and it also gives "name" as a meaning of "שום". It was a complete surprise to me, and I'm a native Hebrew speaker, considering myself reasonably learned... The example in the dictionary is from Chazal, and I wonder if even in Chazal writings it appears more than once in this sense. Might be their fluke.
Well, according to Klein, "שׁוּם is a secondary form of שֵׁם. The change is due to the dissimilation of the vowel e to the labial m. Cp. Akkadiam shumu. Jewish Palestinian Aramaic has both forms". And indeed Jastrow lists several instances of the Targumim for this form. Therefore it is an Aramism and not relevant at all for Modern Hebrew.
Thanks for your note, IngeborgHa14. Jastrow did a great job in his day but his dictionary can't be trusted for vowel pointing and a lot has happened since his time with Aramaic. A better source is the CAL (Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon) online project. The common Aramaic lexeme for garlic is תומא according to CAL while שום is Hebrew. I don't think Klein is correct that JPA has שום, rather sometimes there is a mix of Hebrew and Aramaic in texts. See also Sokoloff, A Dictionary of Jewish Palestinian Aramaic (2nd ed.) 577b. תומא is also Jewish Babylonian Aramaic: Sokoloff, A Dictionary of Jewish Babylonian Aramaic, 1198a. It's also Syriac. According to Cook's Glossary of Targum Onkelos (297) the form in that targum for "garlic" is תום. He does not list "garlic" for שום. So שום meaning "garlic" is not an Aramaism. Instead, we should look to the consonant shift between Aramaic and Hebrew of ש and ת, e.g., the verb "to sit" שב // תוב. I'm new to Arabic, but in Arabic garlic is thum, which shows how common that root is for that word. When שום shows up in some Jewish texts as "garlic," it is almost certainly a situation of diglossia. Yerushalmi is esp. mixed JPA and Hebrew with Greek loanwords, whereas Bavli is more Aramaic (though the baraitot are Mishnaic Hebrew).
Yes, שׁוּם garlic shows, how the protosemitic interdental ṯ [θ] developed into ת/ܬ in Aramaic, but became שׁ in Hebrew. But I was speaking about the word שׁוּם meaning name, which has š [ʃ] as its origin and stayed שׁ/ܫ in both languages. The valuable CAL list also some vowel variation: šm, šmˀ (šum, šom, šem; šmā). But I appreciate your lexical work on garlic. Arabic ثوم and اِسْم show the standard development of the two consonants too!
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I am not a native Hebrew speaker, but even I have often encountered שום in the sense of garlic in modern Hebrew.
One more vote for fixing the audio: the voiceover says "shem" (= name) rather than "shum" (= garlic).
We cannot surgically remove the audio (i.e. without change all audio for all sentences). I believe in the near future we will be able to override this manually, so I'll take note to change that sentence.
He definitely says "shem" (name), not "shum" (garlic). I am disappointed that people have been complaining about this for 3 years and no one has fixed it.
I just came to see if there were any comments on the new voice, but found a graveyard of comments on the old voice. Everyone, you can relax now. The pronunciation is now correct.
the word garlic is written if you click on it. If you don't use זה , then you would have to add he or haim
Is this your garlic? ? זה השום שלך Is the garlic yours? ? הוא השום שלך is the garlic yours? ? האם השום שלך
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Is the garlic yours? = is this your garlic?, since "the" acts as pointer here, I can't ask a person about some undefined garlic. However not accepted.
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I'm really freaking tired of this: "is this your garlic" === "is the garlic yours", however first variant is still incorrect year behind.
You mean that "is the garlic yours?" is not accepted as a translation to "זה השום שלך"?
Consider this scnario: you go to a grocery, you look at the pile of garlic, you don't like how miserable it looks. Somewhat rudely you ask the grocer, with some contempt, "זה השום שלך?" "is this your garlic?" You wouldn't ask "is the garlic yours?". Duo wants a literal translation that makes sense; since there is "זה" in the Hebrew, you should have "this" or "it" in the English.
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The course teaches both grammar and vocabulary. If you are tired of learning those fundamentals, that's your prerogative, but you shouldn't expect the course to stop teaching them.
Why isn't "Is the garlic yours" accepted ? It would sound more logic I think...
Well, you did not translate the demonstrative זֶה in this case. Duolingo usually insists on a translation which follows closely the grammatical structure of the source language, not favouring translations, which have an equivalent sense.
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garlic was the second word in my old Hebrew textbook..after shalom. yep, it sounds like שם, but since this is a food module, and the spelling is clear--just go with garlic--but don't give up trying to get them to change the pronunciation. Given the old posts, it must have originally been spelled שם, not שום. All in all his pronunciation is pretty clear. UNLIKE the female voice.
I love how in this example you can click on each word to just get its prounciation. Why don't the others do this?
guy reading this gives me the creeps. it all started with him repeating זה
Guess the speaker isn't native at hebrew, I don't know...Was he supposed to pronounce: "Ze ha'shum shelcka" Because he said: "Zé ha'sam shelcka"
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Not right. He says is this your name? But need to fill in is this your garlic. So waaaaay of here.
please change the pronunciation of garlic in Hebrew. shem and shum have two different meanings!
The audio sounds like shem, not shoom. 'Ze hashem shelah?' Instead of 'ze hashum shelah?
