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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noxiyu

Learning Streak + Shabbos.

I'm really enjoying the modern Hebrew classes on duolingo & hoping to give the Polish ones a try soon.

Regarding learning streaks - as an Orthodox Jew, how can one keep my learning streak, when I'm unable to use the computer across shabbos.

Do streaks include the weekend? Is there a way to tell my account I'm away?

Any other Jews facing this problem?

June 24, 2016

50 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrassTiger

I just use it Friday morning, then on Motzi Shabbos before this site rolls to Sunday. Since this site goes by standard days and the Hebrew day is offset from that, it works. I keep my goal at only 10xp, so that I am sure to reach it if I only have time to do a short lesson.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NaftaliFri1

I do the same, but I'm trying to think of a solution for Shabbat-Rosh-Hashanna... Which is quite like what they have many times out of Israel


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

Unfortunately, Duolingo does not recognize Cultural needs when we have our two day holidays that forbid work. I wish they would.

Ashkenazi and Sephardic Solution: DuoShabbosGoy. What they do get on your computer that has been plugged in and logged into Duolingo. I'd put the computer in a disused room, or use a long extension cord so that it can be put in a corner of the closet so that we can not see the screen, but only the DuoShabbosGoy can see it. The DuoShabbosGoy then goes in and works the first lesson of an easy language to keep the streak going. And, I'd utilize this person on the rare times when the work restriction is 3 days long. Keep in mind that they also have the option to have a 1xp streak. This would require less work for the DuoShabbosGoy.

BTW, I mean no disrespect by calling them a DuoShabbosGoy. I would be considered Goy by some Jews, and Jewish by the Karites and the Messianic Jews. I keep Kosher, but don't bother with duolingo streaks as I can't keep them no matter what - and my culture is not getting in the way. lol


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noxiyu

That is very useful, but I mostly spend Motzi Shabbos away from home/with the community, and shabbos is so long these summer days, that I don't travel back home (and to my computer) until Sunday. But when sundown starts creeping back again, I'll definitely try this. Thank you (:


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JewishPolyglot

You can buy streak freezes at the lingot store to keep your streak in place for one day of inactivity. I am also Shomer Shabbos, and I applaud both your keeping Shabbos and your Hebrew learning efforts, so if you need extra lingots (I have 100s of them - no joke) you can ask me and I'll give you :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrassTiger

Here are some more lingots in case you need them. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Okapio

Great question. The one unavoidable issue is when a Yom Tov occurs right before or after Shabbat in Hutz Laaretz, like what happened a few weeks ago for Shavuot. I lost my streak before then but I don't know what I would have done. Probably would have asked a non-Jewish friend to sign in for me. You should always have a streak freeze ready to go no matter what though.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noxiyu

Shavua tov. And indeed! Shavuot was just before I joined duolingo, but even regarding talking to friends/my family not near by, it was an incredibly long time. I don't like the idea of worrying about my streak during shabbos though, or rushing home to try and complete some levels, as it really ruins the feeling of commitment to shabbos. Maybe I should just make piece with my unsustainable streak, and enjoy the lessons. (: -thank you for the response.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrassTiger

I wonder if enough of us asked, if they would provide the option for a longer streak freeze--like four days. People also go on vacations, so it would be really helpful to many.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

DuoShabbosGoy is my solution. See my post earlier in this thread, where I posted to NaftaliFri1.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

Somehow, I missed your comment, when I posted nearly the same thing. I upvoted you.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mazzorano

I'm observant too - the only problem I face is when we have two yamim tovim + shabbat, then I lose my streak. A small price to pay I guess...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

DuoShabbosGoy is my solution. See my post earlier in this thread, where I posted to NaftaliFri1.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mazzorano

I hope you're kidding. You know that halachically this is unacceptable, right? You cannot ask anyone to do melacha for you on Shabbat/Yom Tov. There are many stipulations to be fulfilled, I don't believe DL is one of them.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

ShabbosGoy have been in use for many years. They learn what to do during the week and then just do it. You don't discuss it with them on the day. They just automatically do it, and if they get it wrong, then oh well. They have ShabbosGoy in use to turn on and turn off lights. If you discuss it with them, then, that is wrong.

I should also say that the ultra-strict communities that do not allow the concept of using a Shabbos person at all, obviously wouldn't allow this.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

The basic rule of thumb as far as having a gentile do work for a Jew on Shabbat is that if a Jew may not do it, a non-Jew cannot do it for him. This is true whether or not the Jew specifically asks the non-Jew to do the work or if the non-Jew does it on his own, whether the non-Jew is paid for his efforts or not. There are, however, various exceptions to this rule. Here are some of the variables that may impact the ruling on this matter (the article below will discuss the details):

<pre>If the non-Jew is being paid by the job, rather than by the hour or day. If the Jew is not directly benefiting from the work. If the non-Jew is (also) directly benefiting from the work. If the work is of only forbidden by Rabbinic law. If it is still in the very first minutes of Shabbat. If it's a situation of great need, great financial loss, illness or mitzvah. </pre>

(quote from a Chabad site)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mazzorano

Thank you, but I'm quite aware of the Halacha. Asking someone to go on DL so you wouldn't lose your streak is strictly against the halacha and is a desecration of the Shabbat.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NaftaliFri1

Unless, when opening the account, the goy got it for Shabbos and holidays, and the jew for rest of the year.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

Ultimately, we will still have to follow the rules of the Rabbi over our heads which means that obviously, where some Jews would be able to make this work, other Jews would not.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/quadrin

Don't worry, I know orthodox Jews myself :) You can go to the lingot store and buy what is called a "streak freeze." This streak freeze prevents you from losing your streak for one day of not doing Duo.

It won't undo itself if you do Duo tomorrow. This means that if you have the freeze activated tomorrow, and still do Duo, it won't stop working that time around.

It only works when you don't do Duo for a day. I will gladly donate lingots if you don't have enough.

לילה טוב! (I don't know if I spelled this right)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noxiyu

Ah! Thank you! That is so useful, I see it costs 10 lingot if you'd be kind enough to share two with me, then I can buy a freeze.

תודה רבה! (& you spelt good night perfectly!)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jbusike

Just so your clear, you will need to get a new one every time you use one, so it will be ten lingots a week, Here is a few lingots to get you through a few weeks.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noxiyu

Thank you so much as well!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/quadrin

Gladly! If you have any other technical issues, you can always post on my feed. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noxiyu

Thank you so much again! & when I rack up some more lingot from my own learning, I'll definitely pass them along to someone else in need!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/covfirstpastor

Here are a few lingots for you as well.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tzufit238

ha, tell me about it! I lost my seventy day streak when shavuot came straight after Shabbat... :-( I always had a streak freeze in hand and it was great until then. Talk about mesirut nefesh... ;-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/David-720

It would technically be possible to have a goy redeploy the streak freeze over yom-tovim (two or three days if link to Shabbat) by simply lamenting about the problem in front of them if they were sensitive and savvy. However, it should be completely obvious to the hidden people of duo-lingo that Orthodox users have the added frustration of seeing a big juicy learning streak lost over and over again. For Hebrew they could have a Yom Tov streak freeze of two or three days and this might apply in other languages for their own specific cultural reasons.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

Some Orthodox Jews are against using Goy for streak freezes and thought they were not legal. I thought this was said in a comment above somewheres.

What I do, as I gave up on duolingo ever working for Jews or non-Jews (I've lost my streak too many times) is simply use a off-site for keeping track of my streaks. Sure, duolingo doesn't know what I've done, but being that duolingo never got it right as to what I did, nothing changes. Duolingo is racist in that it refuses to accommodate.

And so far, it is only the Jews that are having issues in this regard as only our religion has 2 and 3 day Shabbat rules in place. Duolingo racistly insist that those "streak freezes" are what we need to use and will work! And that if we need it longer, than too bad, so sad we don't have that. Also, the President-CEO promise me my streak back. I never got my streak back! Those arrogant tossers (not the owner, ceo) but his own employees REFUSED even though I had pictures PROVING that their code was wrong! I gave up! This thread is beating a dead horse because as long as society hates on the Jews and don't care to accommodate us, no accommodation will ever come!

They never gave me my streak back because they hate this Jew! I also quit learning here accept from time to time. Yes, that killed my streak (even on my off of here tracking site). Duolingo made change after change making this site so crap that what good they did do, doesn't really matter as much to me anymore. I loved coming here for my streaks. The anti-semitism is so strong that I quit coming back time and time again only to come back again.

Why? I'm a fool, hoping that the racist employees would be fired and the non-racist employees would finally give a fix and I would be apologized too for losing my streak and no one giving it back to me! My own thread on this matter was ignored! This is why commenting about "Jewish needs" is silly.

The vast majority are racist in that they don't give a rip about our needs and think that we should get glad wrap and do what we call "work" on shabbat because they do! I rarely get goy who "get it" and actually care, but I do get to talk with them from time to time. Unfortunately, they aren't the programmers on Duolingo.

Thus...solution? We start our own language learning site that is online and on apps whereby, all Jewish Shabbat rules days are considered "free days" where no one can lose their streaks! Duolingo will never give us this. But, if we can do this, and do the programming right, we could make money off of it. The biggest issue is two-fold. I can't do this at all. No money, no ability to program let alone write the material. So, I come back to duolingo. :P I really need to get a life and move on and unsubscribe to this thread as duolingo will never give a rip about us anyway! The majority always rules and lords it over us! Every where we turn it will always be what the majority wants at the expense of the minority! It will never be "lets accommodate the minority!"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

Mazzorano said above "Thank you, but I'm quite aware of the Halacha. Asking someone to go on DL so you wouldn't lose your streak is strictly against the halacha and is a desecration of the Shabbat."


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Neferaman

Can I ask you a question about pronouncing ancient hebrew? do you know a rabbi?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noxiyu

If you mean biblical Hebrew, then I can probably answer. (It's funny to me that you're asking if I know a Rabbi, as I know literally over a hundred Rabbis, but if you're not Jewish, you might not know that)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Neferaman

Is Tiberian hebrew the nearest form of pronunciation to ancient hebrew? and if so ,why ashkenazi and all the other groups of judaism don't switch to tiberian pronunciation? What does the other rabbis think of Tiberian Hebrew? As far as I know , correct pronunciation is really important in judaism when it comes to the torah or tanach


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noxiyu

Ok, so this is not the place for me to get into an answer sufficient for such a question. But my answer comes down to this, Jews have a current & constant belief in HaShem (G-d) - and thus know that HaShem is not only close to us then, but also now. Thus, the pronunciation which has been given & used by each community (Ashkenazim, Sefardim, Mizrachim, etc.) although subtle with variations, are the correct and most authentic way of pronouncing Hebrew. Judaism is a living religion, and the correct pronunciation of Hebrew is important, however, knowing the correct pronunciation isn't done through archaeology or theoretical language variations, and instead is known through HaShem.

Next shabbos I'll bring it up though, see if I get any better answers.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

The traditional rule that the Rabbis give is that we are to use the tradition of the Rabbi whose community we are apart of. This is how we deal with Kashering when we are living in situations where the traditional rules can not be followed due to circumstances beyond our control. This means that if you are apart of a Chabad community, then their rules is what you would apply. HaShem knows what we are saying no matter how we pronounce the words. He knows our hearts and everything we say and do. You could always pray to Him and ask Him who He is and what He thinks.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paceaux_

You can get a streak freeze for one day, as long as you have 10 lingots. But I would imagine you wouldn't be able to apply that streak freeze, because you need to apply it on that day.

Are you able to leave a computer on the night before shabbos? And are you able to leave the web browser logged in to Duolingo?

If so, I can see if I could write an automated script that that could apply your lingots without you having to operate the computer.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NaftaliFri1

It's applied automatically when you miss a day, you just need to get it in advance


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paceaux_

Ah, good to know.

I'd thought you had to get it and apply it on the same day. A streak freeze totally solves the problem of shabbos.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NaftaliFri1

Reminder :get a streak freeze, and get points today so that it is used tomorrow


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ngarrang

I might suggest that you just don't worry about the streak. You are honoring the Shabbos and spending the day with your community. As long as you are learning and enjoying the learning, that is all that really matters.

But, if you do want to try for a high streak number, maybe take our your smartphone for 5 minutes on motzi shabbos and rip off a quick lesson, then rejoin the party. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

What I did was create a forum Foreign Language and Writing Portal, and then create a journal topic so that I can keep track of my own streaks. I fired Duolingo's streak options, as they don't work. The streak freeze does not work. And the staff can't possible fix millions of users' streak freeze issue. I was burned twice. Now, I don't care. I've moved on because I finally came up with a solution that I am working on . I still have to make the images so that the post can be made pretty. Update: Images were made.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dvash79

This solution works only for yourself, right?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

Anyone can join my forum and do the same thing. However, duolingo won't have the progress charted. Those who want Duolingo's to have this information would be out of luck unless they are one of the lucky people where duolingo doesn't lose streaks no matter what. (You'd have to search for the forum by its title, if you wanted to join.) I'm trying not to comment too much about it. lol


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NoahKaye

This seems like an affordable "Shabbos tax," just 10 lingots? I guess you have to keep them handy, though.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/velvelajade

You don't understand! It is impossible to keep your streak when: 1. You pay lingots and still get streak taken away due to programming issues. 2. You have a 2 day shabbat due to Traditional rules in Ashkenazi Jewish lands. You can not keep your streak! The only way you can do it, is to hire a person to keep your streak for you! This site does NOT honor nor accommodate ANY religions and insist you either skip getting streaks OR be a card carrying Jew shabbat rules violater who refuses to offer a solution whereby we can buy a 2 day lingot!!!!!!!!

However, because this site has destroyed my streak twice and refused to give me my streak back, I quit. I come here only when I feel like it. I hate duolingo's staff WHO (and only these people who) decided if we get out streaks back and refused! I had photo proof and those imbeciles refused! I was so upset that I wanted to be extremely rich so that I could create my own site that would compete against duolingo and do it better! No discrimination. No photo proofs being ignored as false! No taking what the CEO said, and refusing to do what he said! He, the CEO DID say we would get our streaks back! His staff refused to give back many of the streaks! I, with proof never got it back!

No way am I going to pay the evil programming lingots when I can't keep my streak anyways! I am only wasting my time! Sorry to set you straight in such a harsh way, but this is the truth! The truth does not lie. And yes, SOME people DID get their streaks back! NONE of them were Jews with a two day Shabbat!!!! They were Non-Jewish, if we are to be honest. However, many Non-Jewish people didn't get their streaks back either!!! And this, is also not good! And the only way I was keeping my streak was by violating Shabbat!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nancy520089

These comments are from sooo long ago... with a “three-day yom tov” coming up again this year, I’m really hoping not to lose my streak!! I have a streak freeze in place that will cover Shabbos, and then I’m hoping that my Duo Plus will kick in to cover the first day of Shavuos. Then I’ll be able to get a quick lesson in on motzai Yom Tov ... I know I shouldn’t be obsessing about this, but I just LOVE my Duo... I am on course to hit a full year streak iy”H before Shavuos! We’ll see what happens!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nancy520089

Well, well... a “three day yom tov” has just ended... and despite my preparation (a 10 lingot streak freeze in place, and paying for Plus, which is supposed to give an automatic 48 hr streak repair.) Even so, I lost my 372 day streak. I put a question about it to duo help but haven’t heard back yet. I will certainly drop plus if it can’t work with the yom tov issue...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nancy520089

Happy News!! Duo loves me and restored my now 374 day streak!!! That strikes me as amazingly culturally sensitive!!! I love owls and I’m keeping my Plus subscription!!!

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