"The men and the women are happy."

Translation:הגברים והנשים שמחים.

June 25, 2016

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Isn't "הגברים והנשים הם שמחים" ok too?


I am not sure it's grammatically incorrect but it doesn't sound natural.

In Hebrew we don't use to verb "to be" before a description, so saying that would sound something like: "The men and the women they are happy" to a Hebrew speaker.

If you put a comma, as in:"הגברים והנשים, הם שמחים" (the men and the women, they are happy) that would make perfect sense however.


No no, a comma is not needed in this case since the word הם acts as a special part of a Hebrew sentence called: אוגד It unites the subject and the object. Sometimes it can be omitted without any "damage" to the sentence. Examples:

הילדה היא יפה = הילדה יפה. The girl [is] beautiful

פירות הם מתוקים = פירות מתוקים. Fruits [are] sweet


But the thing is that אוגד is not normally used when you have a sentence "noun is adjective", only when you have "noun is noun" sentences. It's not incorrect, but it's not very natural, either, as Walrosse said.


ha-gvarím ve-ha-nashím smechím.


How do you know which plural form of happy to use? Since "women" was closer to the word, I used שמחות. It was wrong.


Plural for groups of both feminine and masculine things always defaults to masculine.


I know we learned g'varim for men but forgot and used anashim. Is that not right too?


Nope, אנשים is 'people'.


It also means men, but used more in traditional texts then modern.


See Walrosse, below: If you put a comma, as in:"הגברים והנשים, הם שמחים" (the men and the women, they are happy) that would make perfect sense however. That is what I wrote. However, if that makes "perfect sense," it supplies a very important clarification.


Can I say הגברים והנשים בשמחה?


No, בשמחה means 'happily'.


It can also mean "in a state of happiness" or "happy" as in תמיד בשמחה, although to my ear if used in this sentence I would definitely put הם first.


והנשות .This looks like a masculine pluralו הנשים


Some feminine words take the masculine ending for plural and vice versa. You'll pick up these exceptions as you learn.

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