"The boy is rarely above."

Translation:A fiú ritkán van fent.

July 2, 2016

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Any reason why 'a fiú ritkán fent van' is wrong? I'm still very unsure what constitutes correct word order.


I think the word order depends on emphasis. For example:

1) A fiú ritkán van fent – emphasis is on RARELY;

2) A fiú ritkán fent van – emphasis is on UPSTAIRS/ABOVE;

((3) Ritkán fent a fiú van – emphasis is on BOY.)) <– not correct, check next comment!

This is only my understanding of that. I would appreciate feedback from some native speaker. Köszönöm!


You are absolutely right, except for the 3) part. We don't really say it like that. The word order in this case is exactly the same as in 1), but we put the emphasis on the word 'fiú'. Simple as that.:) Hope I could help a bit ;) Jó tanulást!


What about this word order: "A fiú fent van ritkán"? I was following other examples we have seen, such as "A telefon itt van délután", but it was not accepted. Doesn't that properly stress upstairs/above as well?

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    I would use 'néha' instead of 'ritkán' too, but otherwise it's correct

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      2) I would use 'néha'-sometimes here. Ritkán and néha is very similar in meaning: from time to time it happens, but that's not the usual. However, ritkán puts more emphasis on the rarity. It's the stronger, more time-related version of néha. Here, ritkán is neither in front of the verb, nor in the front of the sentence. It's emphasis is weak, so néha sounds more natural.


      It's correct. ;)


      :o i can't imagine a situation when i would say "a fiú ritkán fent van"


      Are you speaking as a Hungarian advisor saying the word order in, "a fiu ritkán fent van" is not common and is unnatural? Or are you just saying it seems like you won't be saying this sentence very often in general?


      Why is "Ritkán a fiú fent van" not good?


      Why does this sentence need the "van?" Can't we drop that when giving a description?

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      No, you cannot drop it when it is used to specify a location.


      What is the meaning of the sentence? Context or example?


      I would use this sentence to say that the boy is rarely upstairs - as in, he spends most of his time elsewhere in the building (downstairs, for example). I cannot think of a situation where I would say someone is 'above' - I think most people would use 'fent' to mean upstairs as well (at least in this context). Please correct me if I am wrong.


      Obviously we can't skip the 'van' here, because a location is being described. But can anyone tell me why it should not go at the end of the sentence. Yet again, the word order is a total mystery to us mobile users. :D

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