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- "Ez egy nagy folyó."
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It's in early beta; report it. There will be a lot of things like that at this stage.
Not exactly. Egy = a/an ; therefore whenever you'd say a or an in English, you should say egy in about 99.99% of the time.
766
Leaving it out of only one in 10,000 occasions feels a bit extreme. ._.
Three months of learning later I'll have to agree that the inclusion of egy sounds much better in most cases; it gives a little more structure to the sentences. But it is not needed per se.
I can be wrong, from the top of my head I can not think of anywhere where leaving out egy would be more natural than actually including it. (Fluent bilingual here.)
But yeah don't EVER try to count the 10,000th occasion, haha. That would be a tiny bit silly. I think it's just safer to go with including egy all the time and being corrected than leaving it out too much and sounding very unnatural.
Oh, but there are plenty of occasions. Professions, just to name one or two:
I am a doctor. - Orvos vagyok.
I am a teacher. - Tanár vagyok.
Others:
This is not a secret. - Ez nem titok.
My dog is a vizsla. - A kutyám vizsla.
This was a good movie. - Ez jó film volt.
Etc. In some of these situations, Hungarian prefers not to use the article, in others it is optional or usually used. I don't know if there is an actual rule, or guideline, the best way may be listening to the natives.
Not necessarily. My observation is that if you say that something is a something else then you don't need 'egy' but that you do once you start introducing an adjective before the something else. Analogous with French eg, 'elle est actrice' but 'elle est UNE jolie actrice', but with a wider scope. But I may be wrong.
I think it has more to do with how much you want to quantify the noun. Egy is "one", too, after all (just like in French afaik). Sometimes it feels unnecessary to quantify the noun. I'd say it's generally more likely to implicitly set the amount when introducing something new. On the other hand, you may not want to "count" people, for example.
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Fun fact These strange 2-3 character sequences are only one letter in the Hungarian language. CS, DZ, DZS GY LY NY SZ TY ZS
If you left out egy, would it mean "This river is large," or would you need van?
No, you wouldn't need van, but it would still be different: Ez a folyó nagy.
In the structure this/these/that/those [noun] the definite article has to be included.
If we left out 'egy', it would mean 'This river is large', yes. The predicative is an adjective, which characterizes a state of being - and since we say it in 3rd person, the verb 'van' is omitted. (The omission is compulsory.)
Omitting egy doesn't really make a difference, Ez nagy folyó still means This is a large river. Though This is a large river and This river is large (and similarly, Ez (egy) nagy folyó and Ez a folyó nagy) basically mean the same thing, there's an important grammatical difference, do it'd be wrong to mix them up.
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'gy' occurs in both 'egy' and 'nagy'. is it sounded in both? or is it sounded only in 'nagy' because it ('nagy') starts with 'n'?
- 766
All the letters in Hungarian each should be pronounced the same, regardless of their position. The 'gy' of egy mingles a bit with the following nasal, so it doesn't sound as clear, but it's still there.
So, is 'ez' this or that? I think it translated to 'that' in one of previous lessons.
- 766
Ez is 'this', referring to something which is in close proximity. In some special constructions you can also translate it as 'that' in English, but mostly it should be 'this'. 'That' is az.
Feel free to report anything that's incosistent with this.
- 766
No, that's a different grammar. See where the adjective is:
- This is a big river. - Ez egy nagy folyó.
- This river is big. - Ez a folyó nagy.
How do you say "It is a big river" vs. "This is a big river"? I have seen the "Ez egy nagy folyó" construction used with both meanings in other lessons (talking about hotels, etc.). Sometimes the phrase is "Ez nagy folyó" and it has also meant either "this is a ..." or "it is a ..." Any rule here? Is it all contextual?
Yep, as Ryagon said, ez/az are dominant at this topic... although I wouldn't say Hungarian doesn't use personal pronouns for inanimate objects at all. Most personal pronouns are fine to use in the "coda", some place after the verb. Ő/őt are the universally uncommon ones for "it" nominative and accusative respectively.
- 766
It's contextual, more or less. The main issue is that Hungarian doesn't use personal pronouns for inanimate objects, and since this type of sentence doesn't use a verb either, you'd only be left with "Egy nagy folyó" as a literal translation for "It is a big river". That doesn't mean much.
So in Hungarian you're more inclined to use ez or az for this kind of sentence than using "this" or "that" in English.
