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911
By the original concept the "bolt" is smaller—it comes from "vault" (preserved in bolthajtás, boltív as architectural elements) while "üzlet" is originally "business" and the location for that activity—a facility built on purpose.
Köszönöm a magyarázatot! Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but it sounds kind of like 'bolt' and 'üzlet' more or less correspond to the German 'Laden' and 'Geschäft', respectively.
'Bolt' is indeed small. In English it is the proper term for a crossbow arrow, which is smaller than a longbow arrow. Not many people know that.
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I think they are completely interchangeable when talking about a store where you can buy things. Some people may prefer one to the other but there is no real difference.
But "üzlet" has a wider meaning in business. A business deal is an "üzlet". Occasionally a small barter transaction is also called a "bolt" but anything more serious is an "üzlet". "Üzlet" is more official, more professional. And Business, with a capital b, is "üzleti élet" - "business life". Businessman is "üzletember", a trader is "üzletkötő", etc.
But I can still open a small store on the corner and call it either a "bolt" or an "üzlet".
Note, "üzlet", in this sense, if definitely an actual, physical store where you can walk in and buy things. Do not use it to describe just any business, any company, as in "small business". An üzlet is a place where you can shop.
"Üzlet" can also be a small place where you buy a service, like a barber shop, a hairdresser's, a shoe repair place. You don't use "bolt" for these.
You can ask "how is business?" - "hogy megy az üzlet?", and it can mean any company, although usually it means a store. You can also ask "hogy megy a bolt?", and that would be more restricted to an actual shop, not just any business.
uzletember is businessman, so I think that uzlet is more of a business-store
- 911
Not really. Jewelry shop can be either ékszerüzlet or ékszerbolt, butcher's store is almost never "hentesbolt" but "hentesüzlet". There are many other examples a tobacco store sounds a bit strange as "dohányüzlet" as that is more often "dohánybolt" (but the most popular name is "trafik"—Hungarian truck drivers call the Turkish traffic police (when they have "Polis trafik" written on the car) "lengyel dohányboltosok" (polish tobbacoists). I don't think it could have any connection to smokey bears or other American nicknames for cops... In general, if we use "bolt" we usually refer to a small place, while "üzlet" is not necessarily but usually a bit bigger. Sounding may also has influence to this.
I like to think that Ki corresponds with the French word for who, that is Qui. Pronounced as Ki
Can someone explain to me the difference between elől and előtt? Thanks in advance
- 911
Okay, the difference is sublime but crucial. "Elöl" (with dieresis or umlaut) is on the first place of something" or "on the front of something" or "at the front end" or "forward" but as the part of the thing. Let's say, the driver is on the front end of the bus" - "a vezető elöl van a buszon". "The driver in pole position sits in front of the pack" - "A pole pozícióban lévő vezető ül a mezőny elején".
"Előtt" is very similar but the something there is not part of the others. "The famous 'Tank Man' stood alone in front of the tanks" - "A híres 'Tank Man' egyedül állt a tankok előtt." Also note that "előtt" often refers to time. "Karácsony előtt jártam a Holdon" - "I walked on the Moon before Christmas".
There is a third one to make your job even more interesting: "elől" (with double acute) means from something, like escaping or running away. "Elfut a tank elől (aki nem Tank Man)" - "Runs away from the tank (who is not the Tank Man)" or "elmenekül a tűzvész elől" - "escapes from the wildfire". It is also used for movement that leads away from a certain point: "Állj el az ajtó elől, kérlek! - "step away from the doorway please".
I hope I could give you a practical help ;)
Cool, i got the difference and also learnt more things, i found the "előtt" function about time and the "elől" point (which now i know i wrote it wrong) very interesting and constructive, Nagyon köszönöm szépen my friend, i'll keep working on my hungarian accents.
Be more likely to stand in front of the location where the business takes place.
- 911
Definitely no. You may accidentally see this but it is a rare and obsolety abbreviated form of [the guy] who stands in front of the store. The common form should be [A fickó] aki az üzlet előtt áll and here the "aki" (or "ki" in its obsolete, abbreviated form) is a referrer, actually a relative pronoun.
(Please note that "guy" and "fickó" is very colloquial, almost slang. You'd better not to use it but you'd better understand it ;) Also "guy" has many possible translation with slightly different overtones. "Fickó" is one of the more acceptable form. If you tell a police officer that "that guy gave me this ticket" az a fickó adta ezt a jegyet [e.g. when you got fake entry ticket to Sziget Fesztivál] it would be as acceptable as in American English.)
The correct word order is: Ki áll az üzlet előtt? Alternatively you could ask: Ki az, aki az üzlet előtt áll?
For some reason it wouldn't accept "standing" for me. I had to put "Who is PARKED in front of the store" for it to accept it.
The correct word order is: Ki áll az üzlet előtt? (Who is standing in front of the shop?)) Alternatively you can ask: Ki az, aki az üzlet előtt áll? (Who is that ((person)) that is standing in front of the shop?)
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Duo, please offer an option of slow-speed pronunciation! Beginners need to develop an "ear" for hearing the 44 totally different alphabetic pronunciations. It would be so helpful if Duo would offer Beginners a drill, repetitive, focused on pronunciation, to support their listening skills.
I guess this is really a technical issue. Hungarian Duolingo comes with actual voice recordings (which is excellent in my opinion) - the obvious drawback is that you can't just play it slowly like text-to-speech.
