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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BartiBar

Feedback: Tips and notes

Shalom guys!

The tips and notes are a very important part of the course which should clarify what we teach in every skill.

In order to improve them, we decided to open this discussion where you can offer improvements and additions, and report errors or technical problems in the tips and notes.

We will also update you here when we edit tips and notes.

Updates:

  • 29/10/2016 - Explanation about מבקר את/ב was edited (Present 2)

  • 26/11/2016 - An explanation about the verb "שייך" was added (Possessives 1)

  • 31/12/2016 - A few remarks regarding conditional sentences were added (The Conditional)

  • 05/02/2017 - A note regarding the usage of the question word "how" along with infinitives was added (Infinitives 1)

  • 12/03/2017 - A note explaining the difference between "זקן" and "ישן" was added (Adjectives 2)

  • 12/03/2017 - More information about the differences between "חבר" and "ידיד" and a note about the word "מבוגר" was added. (People)

  • 08/04/2017 - A note about how to use the preposition "בתוך" properly was added. (Prepositions 1)

Thanks! ~ !תודה

July 7, 2016

210 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FrozenJ2001

Could you please add a voice so we can hear how the words sound. I am having trouble reading the letters in lesson 1. That was something I was never good at. I learn more from hearing a word and associating it to the written word I see.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flootzavut

Because the course uses recorded voices, not a TTS, they can't add audio to every word.

I highly recommend the Memrise courses the team have made to partially fill in this lack:

http://www.memrise.com/course/1087087/hebrew-alef-bet/
http://www.memrise.com/course/1031737/hebrew-duolingo/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/davidammonh

tinycards (by Duolingo) has a few Hebrew flashcard decks I highly recommend that


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/debbiekeel1

its easier to use copy paste and go to google translate parallel to working on the app whether on the mobile app or the desktop . this way when there are words u want to hear u hear from google but the ones u already know u move on with the cl;asses and get to enjoy the app


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BillDe

Strength levels don't go back up appropriately. I know some Hebrew so I skipped out of a number of sections. I then found that the "strengths" of these sections declined very quickly, and when I went to refresh them I had to do four or five parts to get them back to 100%. Even when I finished a part with no mistakes it still said I was one or two levels below 100%. I've decided not to bother ever going back and bringing the levels up again, but this is not the right way to learn. I think your setting review levels needs to be improved. (By the way, with other languages I have learned in duolingo I didn't experience this problem.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BartiBar

That's a technical issue, therefore it's not something we, the contributors, can fix. However, we are aware of a similar issue which we brought up to Duolingo staff and they are looking into it.

Thanks for reporting.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/avipars

Completely agreed. I could spend days just getting the strength levels up.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Emmanuelvega15

Oh thanks so much.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Psalm_23

The Tips and Notes are very helpful for us beginners! I have referred to them a lot.

A few suggestions: It would be helpful if we didn't have to scroll down so far to see the whole thing. Also, if this box would close when we click on some other part of the screen, that would be great. (Then we wouldn't have to scroll all the way to the top to click out again.)

I've just started the third skill, and so far I've used the tips mostly for the alphabet, and a little for finding the words for "and" and "or" and such. (Maybe a note with a picture of the Hebrew keyboard layout would be helpful, too.) The verb notes were a little confusing at first because the forms in the title are different the forms we learn in those lessons, but I decided they must be the infinitive forms or whatever form you use to talk about the verb.

Overall, the notes work well and seem well thought out. I don't think I would have gotten this far into the course without them, since the Hebrew alphabet was mostly new to me! Thanks for all the work you all put into this course!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BartiBar

Hey, I hope you are doing well.

1) Regarding the Tips Notes box suggestion- this is a technical issue that requires a programming intervention which is not in our hands (the language contributors). I will pass this suggestion on to Duolingo staff though.

2) Introducing keyboard layout- I don't think it's necessary, since people who study Hebrew on Duolingo use a virtual/real Hebrew keyboard which use the same layout as all the others.

3) Verb Notes- we were considering whether to put the infinitive form in the titles before introducing the infinitive form or not exactly for this reason - but we explain what every infinitive means, so it doens't really matter.

4) Thanks for your feedback- it really helps us building a better and more friendly course.

5) Good luck and happy learning!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eboone44

My feedback is more audio. Hearing and speaking words in a new language is key. This is especially important when the course is using the Hebrew alphabet without vowels or any dots at all. When it gives you an English sentence and then asks you to select the Hebrew words to reconstruct it (in the mobile app) it doesn't speak the words as you put them in. I know that in the English to German, it does say the words as you tap them to reconstruct the sentence.

Additionally, those exercises in which you select from among pre-written words are also more useful for beginners than typing out in Hebrew since many people have trouble getting a Hebrew keyboard setup to work, the entire Hebrew alphabet is completely new to many users, and so is the Hebrew keyboard if they have one on their phone or screen, so they spend a lot of time "hunting and pecking" looking for each letter.

Finally, I think it's a mistake to do the whole alphabet without any dots. Now, adding all of the vowel symbols would add a lot of letter learning time for people before they start the course (which, as of now, is best done somewhere other than duolingo since, as has been previously mentioned, the aleph bet instruction in duolingo is severely lacking), but at least including pronunciation dots in consonant letters like beyt and veyt and kaf and chaf would really help out. I understand that the simplified Hebrew alphabet that this course uses is designed as less of a sound-by-sound alphabet and as more of a mnemonic system for those who already speak a language and will know based on context which sound or sounds go with a word. It seems as though, in many ways, this course is still only arranged in such a way as to be of the most benefit to users who already speak and understand some Hebrew. These have been my frustrations starting the course an a Hebrew language learner with absolutely 0 previous experience with the language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flootzavut

Regarding the audio:

Because the course uses recorded voices, not a TTS, they can't add audio to every word.

I highly recommend the Memrise courses the team have made to partially fill in this lack:

http://www.memrise.com/course/1087087/hebrew-alef-bet/
http://www.memrise.com/course/1031737/hebrew-duolingo/

I'm also pretty sure the team have no control over the frequency of a given kind of exercise. That's something in Duolingo's court, not the contributors'.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeMetsker

I wish I could LOVE this post a million times. I am not brand new to Hebrew. I also am lucky to have a native Israeli friend who helps me (and even corrects my grammar). However, as the person mentioned above, there are so many areas where audio accompanying the words would be very helpful...especially with learners new to the Hebrew alphabet. Even with me knowing the Hebrew alphabet AND 200+ vocab already...your earlier lessons seem to include words different than I started off with, do not include the vowel markings...and I personally also need to know how to pronounce them/what they sound like. I have had to test my Israeli friend tons just during the "Letters 1" and "Letters 2" to ask him how to pronounce a bunch of words. The biggest thing that kept tripping me up was being asked to spell words in the "Letters" lessons, that had not previously been introduced, and being asked to type them out in Hebrew. Even in the Spanish lessons, if it is a new word in a sentence/question, you can click it, and it gives you a meaning(s) and/or translations. It would be helpful to have this on the Hebrew as well.

Don't get me wrong though. I have been wanting you to get Hebrew for years. I was so excited when it was introduced. It is definitely better than no Hebrew. I also wish it were compatible with my tablet (which is brand new out of the box the other day...kept saying the Hebrew language wasn't compatible with my tablet, even though I turned the Hebrew keyboard on in the keyboard settings).

Maybe I can lend you my Israeli friend for some of the language stuff. ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Eve338479

I just wanted to say - even if I sometimes post a problem with an example, I am very grateful for your efforts in creating this course.


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