# "Mil naw saith dim"

July 9, 2016

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Is it supposed to be dim? Or deg?

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'Mil naw saith dim' is the standard answer here but I've heard 'Mil naw saith deg'.

Hmm can dim mean zero? Will you be adding that into the "under construction" notes?

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Dim is very much used as zero in Maths although some people use 'sero' instead.

Thanks for the reminder of the notes, time to add more now.

Dim.

I was marked wrong for "one thousand nine hundred and seventy". Is there another way of saying large numbers? Didn't realise this was meant to be a date - is it implied in the expression?

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As already explained this is a special format for a date, literally Thousand nine seven zero (1970)

It's a very simple pattern, for all dates from 1000 to 1999 it's just mil followed by each following digit expressed as a simple number.

The new millennium starts with Dwy fill followed by the digits.

eg 2016 = dwy fil un chwech or sometimes dwy fil un deg chwech

For the numbers after a thousand then eg 1970 = un mil naw cant saith deg or un mil naw cant a saith deg etc.

Thanks to both Ellis and mcode.

At the risk of being bothersome, how does one say the years 0 - 999? For instance, is 617 cant chwe(ch) un saith? and 43 pedwar tri (or tair)?

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There are different possible answers here:- eg The sentence:- 'In the year six hundred and seventeen' would sound better to me as 'Yn y flwyddyn chwech un saith but the other suggestion 'Chwe chant un saith' and also 'Chwe chant un deg saith' are also forms I've heard.

43 = Forty Three AD (or 43 CE as it often called these days) is usually Pedwar deg tri OC (OC = Ar l C**rist)

You would say "Chwe chant un saith". And don't worry about being bothersome we're here to help.

It might help if you guys add something to this section's "Tips & notes"

Can you also drop the 'dwy fil' and just say 'yn un saith' or 'yn dau dim'?

Yes this is a date due to the format. Years are always like this whereas "1970" as a number is said "Un fil saithdeg". (Not sure which bits are supposed to be one word.)

Wouldn't "un fil saithdeg" be 1070, not 1970?

Yes, sorry it should say "Un fil naw cant saith deg."

1970 not accepted. I wonder why as 1955 was accepted earlier

The moderator @ibisc mentioned in another thread that, when translating from Welsh → English, using numbers is accepted, but from English → Welsh, the numerals are not accepted so that we may practice the Welsh vocabulary