"A nők és férfiak tanárok."

Translation:The women and men are teachers.

July 16, 2016

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Oh, is that a valid way of grouping determined nouns instead of saying a nők és a férfiak?


I think it's valid but "a nők és a férfiak" sounds better.


Ah, that's what I thought as well. Thank you. :D


Same question but for the English version, it seems off unless it has the second "the" ie. "The women and the men". But I guess it's correct either way...


I'm non native english, but i feel it's fine. In hungarian it is fine with and without the "extra" definite article.


Is "férfiak" an irregular plural? It doesn't seem to follow vowel harmony.


It's even worse, it also behaves like an adjective. ...Okay, that doesn't really make a difference, save for using -ak over -ok for the plural.
To answer your question: yes, it's an odd one. You will find some words that have a stray é in them but otherwise follow back vowel harmony. For instance acél (steel, acélja - his steel) or béka (frog, a békának - for the frog). There seems to have been a different back vowel sound in olden times that has been since replaced by é.


There are two nouns, that I know of, that have strictly front vowels only but still attract back-vowel suffixes, both of them with the vowel é: cél (célok, célom, célod) = "target, goal" & héj (héjak, héjam, héjad) = "shell, peel (of a fruit)"

The explanation is probably a vowel shift from the close vowel í... or a back vowel.


Szomszéd too. It's of Slavic origin and most cognates have an e there - an exception is sąsiad in Polish.

Not for you but still worth mentioning: béka is in fact regular with that vowel harmony since it ends with a back vowel.


The English here is grammatical. But I think most English speakers in most cases would say 'the men and women' rather than the 'women and men' -- perhaps out of custom. Anyway, my question is: Does Hungarian etiquette (or perhaps euphony) favor mentioning the women first, or doesn't it matter much?


It depends. Usually in a sentence where multiple types are mentioned (women and men, cars and bikes) the ones with the larger number are mentioned first. If the count is the same, then the speaker can decide.


What is incorrect about "The teachers are women and men"?


Your sentence is fine on its own but it has a different meaning. "X is Y" vs "Y is X". The hungarian sentence says that "the women and men are teachers".


I think "Women and men" should be accepted, especially because of the lack of the article in front of "férfiak". It does kinda sound like "both women and men (that is, all people)". If your original sentence is weird, accept weird interpretations at least.

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