https://www.duolingo.com/StubbsTEFL

Which Russian Keyboard?

I just started the Russian tree. When I downloaded the Windows Russian Keyboard pack, I got 2 keyboards with very different layouts. One is РУС-RUM (Mnemonic Keyboard) and the other is РУС-RU (Russia Keyboard). I can't find all the letters on either one. I am confused enough trying to find the right key for the Cyrillic letter I need without having to cope with two different layouts. It is very easy to accidently switch to RUM one time and RU the next. Any Suggestions? Does anyone know how to eliminate one in Windows 10?

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
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go to Control Panel > Change Input Methods, then double-click on "Russian" and it will show you a list of layouts available, there you can delete 1 of them

about the keyboards: this is the standard Russian keyboard

IMO, it's pretty poorly designed (for example there is no way to type @), but you can still get all the letters (also the ₽ (rouble) symbol doesn't appear in the picture but you can type it using Alt Gr+8)

the РУС-RUM is a special one apparently designed for those who don't have a keyboard with Russian letters written on it, so it's easier to remember the letters' locations because most are on the same key as the English equivalent

also in this keyboard you have to press multiple keys to get ё, ч, щ, э, and ю (jo or yo for ё, ch for ч, sc for щ, ye or je for э, and ju or yu for ю) you can also type я by either pressing q, ja, or ya, and ш by w or sh, so j, s, y, and c are "dead keys" so if you hit it only once nothing will happen, and if you want to type ые for example, you'd have to press y spacebar e, otherwise it will change to э

here is more about Russian keyboards https://www.duolingo.com/comment/11449014

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Norrius
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it's pretty poorly designed (for example there is no way to type @)

I'd argue this is not a sign of poor design: why would you need @ in Cyrillic? Besides, there are seven more letters to accommodate, naturally you can't fit all of the symbols found in the Qwerty layout.

There are some things that are wrong with Йцукен, but this is not one of them.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
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the same things you type @ for in Latin? they could've put @ there and everything necessary if they had used the Alt Gr key (for example there is no | > \< [ ] « » etc.)

also you have to press Shift to get , and ? is kinda in a weird place

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ivanlavrov

Well, you don't need @ in Cyrillic, because email adresses are always written in Latin, so you'll have to change keyboard anyway. It is very rarely used for other purposes.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
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for replying to other people, for censoring bad words, for smilies... ok maybe the @ wasn't such a good example, but still there are many symbols you can't type with the Russian standard layout

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StubbsTEFL

YIKES!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gerardd88
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I've used the phonetic layout downloaded from the post linked by LICA98 and it worked great.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MickeytheGreat
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I recommend using the regular, non-mnemonic keyboard, but that's just me. It will take a few days to get used to, but you will get it.

I recommend this one because it's the one actual russians use.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StubbsTEFL

Is it really important to use what the Russians use?

I'm trying to find out which one would be easiest for me One has almost all the letters but doesn't relate to QWERTY well; the other seems easier until you realize that you have to memorize multi-key combinations for a lot of letters.

So my question remains: which one?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
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well if you don't have Russian letters written on your keyboard or stickers, it will probably be better to use the other one because it's easier to memorize what is where, I don't think you shouldn't use it just because most Russians do not use it

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MickeytheGreat
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It really just comes down to how far you want to go with the language. If you ever need to use a computer that's not your own, you will need to use the standard keyboard.

I've never used the mnemonic one, so I don't know if it's unwieldy or whatever, but it sounds kind of like the keyboard of an old phone if you have to press the key multiple times to get certain letters. That will obviously slow down how fast you type, but idk how much.

I don't think the Russian keyboard is badly designed. It does its purpose. I don't know if the positions of the keys are weird related to how common the letters are, or whatever. It doesn't really matter. Your complaint seems to be that the Russian keyboard is too different from the english ("the question mark is in a weird place"), but it's a different language so idk why it would be exactly the same.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
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if you use a computer that is not your own it will most likely have no Russian keyboard at all (except if you're in Russia, or another Russian-speaking country, but then it would not make sense to use the mnemonic 1 because you could just buy a keyboard with the Russian letters on it)

actually it doesn't slow down it at all, because it's designed so that you type translit and it changes to Cyrillic, so in translit some letters are translated as 2 (ч is ch)

btw there are several mnemonic keyboards available, also one which has all the letters available with 1 keypress only

well I don't use an English keyboard at all so no, but the problem is that you can't type many symbols

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/corvusalbus
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If you are going to use it a lot I'd use the Russian one.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Navojka

>No Russian in tree anyways

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/corvusalbus
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You should be able get an on-screen keyboard to show up, which is useful to start with. You can get it from Ease of Access settings --> Keyboard. But it might depend on which version of Windows you have.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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Decide which of the two you want to learn, and drop the other.

The standard Russian keyboard, illustrated by LICA98, is standard and can be found on any operating system (that I have seen), so you can use it on any computer, but it takes a little longer to learn. The other you can type on fairly quickly, espec. if you print out a keyboard map or popup one on your computer screen (which you also should do for the standard layout), but it is not completely standardized across operating systems.

The link to Shady_Arc's discussion given by LICA98 says it all, pretty much, and the "discussion" sergejus.m and I had here adds a little more (he makes good points, but I'd still recommend the standard keyboard, as it is not really much harder to learn). There are recommendations for keyboard trainers here and here and lots of other places in the forum.

2 years ago
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