"A táska az autón van."

Translation:The bag is on the car.

July 26, 2016

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On the car or In the car?


"In the car" would be: A táska az autóban van.


But "a buszon" could be either in, or on top of, the bus. The same goes for "hajón" (ship), "repülőn" (plane), "repülőgépen" (airplane), "vonaton" (train), "villamoson" (tram).

Because that is how we normally say it when we travel by those vehicles. So, in that case, we would have to say "a busz/vonat/etc. tetején" (on top of), to be specific.

But with cars, we travel in them. "Autóban". So, "az autón" definitely means "on the car".


Similarly in English, where are usually "on the bus", "on the train", "on the plane", "on a ship", but "in the car".

Some try to explain this with "enough room to stand up = on; have to sit down = in" or "whether board makes sense" ( http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/19761/why-do-you-get-in-a-car-but-get-on-a-train ), and for some modes of transport the preposition isn't quite fixed (e.g. "on/in a helicopter?").

So in English "I forgot my bag on the bus" would usually mean the bag is inside the bus, but could mean it's on the roof; but "I forgot my bag on the car" can only mean that the bag is on the roof.


Or the hood. :)


On the top of it. :)


Calling these suffixes "cases" is unnecessarily scary. Cases are for Indo-European languages, and are far more complicate than these, but Hungarian belongs to another family.

In Hungarian, PREpositions are attached after the words, instead of before, therefore they could be called POST-POSITIONS (or "postposition suffixes"). That is all.


People often tell me, that they think that hungarian is super difficult because it has so many cases. I usually try to explain them, that it does not make the language more difficult, just because they call prepositions cases. (There are lots of other reasons why Hungarian is difficult however)


Still kind of works like cases. I have no idea why "cases" would imply any form of difficulty. It's like saying "we shouldn't call it 'nouns' in German or Swedish since 'nouns' implies there's no gender, we should instead use the word 'substantive' ".

Grammatical case is a linguistics term regarding a manner of categorizing nouns, pronouns, adjectives, participles, and numerals according to their traditionally corresponding grammatical functions within a given phrase, clause, or sentence.

"case" is a really broad term, and not as narrow as you seem to think. Hungarian has cases, and suppressive is one of them. Even if Hungarian cases are simple, they are still cases.


We generally tend to call them suffixes (-ban, -nál, -val, -n, and so on) and postpositions (előtt, felé, között, szerint, and so on).


About the explanation of round vowels:

When I pronounce U and Ü (or O and Ö) in front of a mirror, my lips are identical: it is the tongue inside that changes position.


I gave the correct answer, but it showed me, that I am wrong. I got the same translation from duolingo like mine. I reported it already and hope, it will not happen with everybody.


It happened to me during another lesson. I found out it was an internet connection problem.

PS: no offense meant, but since we are talking about languages, I think you should refresh the use of commas in English. Specifically: you should not put a comma at the beginning of an object subordinate sentence. You did it twice in two lines. No offense!

"Correct a fool, and he will hate you; correct a wise man, and he will thank you [for improving him]" -- Book of Proverbs, page 9


Thank you :-) for your help! Now I know, that the German comma rules don't work in English (french, Italian and Hungarian) It was a hard decision for me to choose whether I want to be a fool or a wise woman :-)) (without comma!). The problem is, that I never understood grammar, numbers and music notes and have to learn languages and instruments with learning by doing (including mistakes). I do not even know what an object subordinate is. On the other hand no problems with pronounciation in different languages. Maybe I have to remain a kind of fool :-)) , due to my lack of understanding and/or remembering grammar rules.


Nobody is perfect. I have lots of limits, too. For example, I tend to use unnecessarily complicated words (simply put, I meant to tell you: no comma before the word "that"). I hope someday you will kindly correct a mistake I will inevitably do. Karma comes back. Cheers!


:-) OMG This should be so easy to remember, thank you! In future I will!


Maybe you mean Proverbs chapter 9 (verse 8).


We may also say in English: The bag is on top of the car - or specify the roof, hood, or trunk. As: The bag is on the hood of the car, etc.

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