Let's learn Latin!
I know the site is about learning languages from other countries, but Latin is used in every language! I think it would be great to do this because we can see where words are used in other languages and how they are altered. It's a real good language learning experience!
I have often commented about Latin in these forums so I will write my comments here and give links to the other Latin discussions here in case anybody is interested.
https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1054426 I'd love to learn Latin and Ancient Greek. Already do some Latin in my spare time but all very basic http://m.youtube.com/user/TuTubusLatinus?&;desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FTuTubusLatinus
^^^ in response to another comment ^^^- lively discussion about Latin pronunciation and whether or not Latin is possible= HIGHLY RECOMMEND READING
I am fascinated by what you have to say and agree with most of you wrote about pronunciation. We will never know for sure as to what accent the Latin speakers had (my guess being the pronunciation varied much on the region) but we can tell how Latin speakers "pronounced" words. There are some old documents from roman schools and so on explaining how to pronounce the words. Let us not forget that Latin remained important longer after the fall of Rome and "acceptable pronunciations" have growth up over time. Namely Latin with Italian pronunciation ecclesiastical pronunciation and a constructed "classical pronunciation" I hope these videos helps a little in conveying what I am trying to say http://youtu.be/jgFz9FP5tDY http://youtu.be/oJiYIA_OZyw http://youtu.be/UNpDor5Iubo
German is easy too. It is really close to english and they have the same roots so words sound the same too. On the early levels the grammar does not change the word position too much from english so you have to basically do a word to word translation. But spend a few minutes on Immersion and you realize that it is not so for all the sentences. That makes me see I have a long way to go.
Oh, I would have to disagree. Learning a new alphabet, extremely different grammatical constructions: I believe there are MANY languages more difficult for English speakers than German. I am far from fluent, but the point you make about more advanced issues certainly must be true of most languages. Maybe not Klingon and Esperanto, but any with a long history of development will have difficulties as bad as strong verbs.
Ha! If you think German is hard - try the Russian course! My personal observation is that my friends who took French first then find German hard, and vice versa. I will speak for this myself as I'm currently finding French hard - specifically to sink in. German was so much easier for me.
I'd like to help with Latin as it's grammar and some vocabulary is natural to me due to my language's grammar system.
Latin is very logical language, declension system (nominative, genitive,dative, accusative,vocative,ablative) and adjective/noun/numbers inflections might be problematic to some at first but when you get used to it, as well as learning patterns such as "post + Accusattive) it's just building vocabulary.
If there are some I am willing to teach and make Youtube video on one declension with only feminine gender words. You can also contact me on facebook.
Have a look at this to get idea of declension for example: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/56978266/I-Nouns-The-Five-Declensions-II
Many Romance languages took forms for their vocabulary from accusative form (pons-pontem --> bridge, mons-montem --> mountain)
I REFUSE to believe they had more people interested, actually wanting to study KLINGON, than the mother tongue of hundreds of millions of language speakers... THAT is unfathomable. LATIN should be taught... I'd warrant it would get FAR MORE people than what we see for some of the really small languages they DO teach. I gotta believe there are THOUSANDS who would jump on a chance to learn Latin! I know I would!
Agreed. I think the difficulty with Latin is that it is pretty unlikely they will find a sponsor willing to pay for Latin translations. However, I think someone who has studied even a little Latin has a big boost in learning to translate other languages. As someone else mentioned too, it would be a big draw for many of the language geeks including polyglot readers communities.
Yeah, the ONLY two languages I came her to learn, and they don't offer either... Latin or Khmer (what they speak in Cambodia)... I can understand Khmer not being listed.. but LATIN??? REALLY???? Come on.. that's just Bullpoop.... That is the FIRST language they should have had on here...
I just got a new job at a Classical Education school. We are going to teach latin. I guess I'll have a teacher's manual or we will learn roots because I don't know latin. Classical Education knows the value of this language. How do we contact duolingo to make a latin class? if anyone wants to join in making this a reality I will help.
I have been frustrated for 35 years that my high school didn't offer Latin. Consequently I took three years of Russian. When I went to college I further sated my love of languages with a year of Arabic and two years of French. But my desire for Latin has never left me. My memory of my French has, I'm afraid, and Duolingo is bringing back what years of neglect has done to my French.
This makes me see what an ideal platform Duolingo would be for Latin. After joining the Anglican Church I have memorized as much Latin as I could get my hands on. But, as a calligrapher and lover of medieval manuscripts, having the full ability to read the language that the scribes used when forming their biblical pages would become more than merely artistically gratifying.
I'm excited to read comments by many others who share my passion for Latin, and appear to have the skills to contribute to Duolingo to help create such a class. I'm truly puzzled why there has been no development in this area as this discussion has gone on for years now. I know for myself, I'd be willing to pay some fee to establish a module for what some people consider a "dead" language. It's ubiquitous appearance in both the history of art and in the church makes it no more dead than the Book of Kells, the notes of Leonardo Da Vinci, or Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel in Rome. Latin's time has come, Duolingo. What are we waiting for?
I have just sent the Incubator application for a Latin course, or to be exact for three Latin courses, as I would be happy to participate in building the Latin course for any of the three target languages I am fluent in, these are English, German and Russian.
Has anyone else applied to contribute? If yes, let us stick together. It might turn out as advantage, if there are enough people willing to contribute who may even already have a rough draft of the course!
I already have +16 on a Google post for this: https://plus.google.com/114758044254323467896/posts/ZqY3Q3XKxvz
I would love to see Latin on Duolingo :-D!
Salvete! Latinum amo! Discere amo! I'd love to contribute to the Latin course! http://archives.nd.edu/words.html http://bencrowder.net/design/latin/conjugation-charts/ https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/b2/80/02b280683ef3d8f85755d295fe2c568b.jpg
I think you have to choose a standard though, either way. Ecclesiastical was the first draw for me, but the only substantial resources on that that I have easy access to are the British Library / National Archives courses https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/latin/ - I just don't think there's as much learning resource around as for Classical. Of course you may know more, so feel free to share :-)
Although there are exceptions, most major textsbooks focus on classical. Wheelock, JACT, Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata, the Cambridge Latin Course and the Oxford Latin Course, for instance. The latter four have a lot in common with modern teaching methods, and thus more in common with Duolingo, although the JACT somewhat less so. It's a little more grammar-heavy, and it mainly uses adapted Classical texts (there is a JACT Greek Course as well, and both the Greek and Latin have methodological similarities with Athenaze's Greek Course). Although it is more detailed and goes more in depth into Latin grammar, I found its approach similar to the Mango Languages Latin course, which is paid, but imo pretty good. The other three start with conversational Latin and other more basic materials before going through Classical sources. CLC and OLC in my opinion are the easiest, but LLPSI is also pretty good for practice. All of them are excellent sources. In my opinion, Classical Latin would be more interesting for the course standard, but if it's the one picked, I believe some tips and notes on Ecclesiastical would be a good idea. Classical pronunciation demands more practice, especially its use of vowel length, being harder to learn from self experience, and is the one that informs poetic meter. So, it's the best pick for people who want to read Latin literature and better understand Latin poetics. Also, there is actually a myriad of Ecclesiastical pronunciations, and they don't represent well the original phonology of the Latin from which all Romance languages descend. The standard pronunciation used by the RCC is based on Italian and borrows a lot from its phonology, but the earlier RCC used different national phonologies before Italian was standardised by the Holy See. In other words, Classical is not just more neutral, but also more informative about how the language originally was and how it relates to different modern Romance languages. This is just my take, though, based on the points above. Whatever standard they choose, the course is still going to be great.
I agree - I think just on the resource base it has to be Classical, but your other points are valid too. Ecclesiastical can be largely summed up in a couple of paragraphs of differences - and it is somewhat simpler, certainly in pronunciation. As I live in Thailand, and am totally dependent on online and downloadable resources, Classical is my obvious preference.
Please can we have Latin? I took it in college years ago, from a professor who was teaching it to a few interested students out of the kindness of his heart and a love for the language. We only met once a week for two terms so I didn't get to practice much, and I've forgotten so much. I would love to learn it again.
So, is this dead already? It has been two years since it was posted and we still have nothing on incubator? It's sad that people prefer to learn Dothraki and Klingon than something so useful as Latin is. I am reading books from 1600's and Latin was so common that they put whole footnotes in Latin and I can't read them. Also, there are a lot of good books which were previously published in Latin that I can't read too. There is a lot of good knowledge we can't access.
Dothraki is not in the incubator and Klingon is in phase 1, meaning that you cannot learn it here at all because it has not been published yet.
I agree with you that Duolingo needs Latin (I studied it years ago and am really fond of relearning its basics!), but sometimes such a project takes years to be realized. All we can do is to show our appreciation and need for the upcoming Latin course.
Zan Gilani answered a question on the quora web site regarding plans for a Latin course on Duolingo: "Yes there are! We're lining up contributors and getting ready to (tentatively) begin building the course in the first half of 2016!" https://www.quora.com/Does-Duolingo-have-plans-for-a-Latin-course Is this reliable?
This is how a fictional latin course might look:<h1>Basics 1</h1>
- Lesson 1
homo, vir, femina, ego, suum, puer, puella
- Lesson 2
tu, es, is, ea, id, et (-que, feminaque)
- Lesson 3
aqua, panis, edo, bibo, malum, lac
nos, vos, viri, feminae, lego, legimus, legitis
sumus, estis, liber, liberum, pueri, puellae
edimus, editis, bibimus, bibitis, cibum
caro, carnem, bonus, bona, bonam
salve, salvete, ave, gratias ago, sic, non
amabo te, bene ambula, paeniteo, mox
dies, nox, dico, dicisne, linguam, latinam
Tips and notes should explain the declination of nouns through cases, I think there should be a special skill which would only serve to practice noun cases, especially for nouns which don't follow the standard endings (N,G,D,A,V,Ab (sg,pl) - m: us, i, o, um, e, o, i, orum, is, os, i, is; f: a, ae, ae, am, a, a, ae, arum, is, as, ae, is; n: um, i, o, um, um, o, a, orum, is, a, a, is), such as magister, honor, civitas, virgo, tempus, carmen, navis, animal,... Also, if it would be possible, maybe it would be best to learn the present tense of verbs by different conjugations. First 1st conjugation such as amo, amare; firmo, firmare, then 2nd conjugation habeo, habere; doceo, docere, 3rd (e.g. lego, legere) and then 4th (e.g. finio, finire). Also, after the vocabulary increases, there should be a skill called sayings, which would list some known sayings - carpe diem (seize the day), vade mecum (come with me), per aspera ad astra (through hardships to the stars), res, non verba (deeds, not words), etc.
It would be cool to have a notes section with a first conjugation verb (e.g. Paro, Parare, Paravi, Paratus) and every other type (2nd, 3rd (io), 4th, conjugated every way it can be conjugated and every time you learn a conjugation that part that you learned changes color or something. It would also have the translations. I was just given this in my fourth year of latin and I wish it would've been sooner because it helps so much
e.g. (Fun fact. 'E.g' comes from the latin exempli gratia, for example)
Present Active Indicative -paro "I prepare" -paras "you prepare" -parat "he/she/it prepares" ……
In all the tenses Present, imperfect, future, perfect, pluperfect, future perfect
And all of those in the indicative and subjunctive and those in the active and passive.… Im getting too hyped for this…
I have all the charts but i dont know how to get them on here because they're on a private server:/ i can take pictures but I cant upload them
It's not very difficult to learn the Latin grammar, vocabulary and structure, but the pronunciation is vital. One has to learn speaking the language correctly as well as the writing. It should not be the Church's pronunciation, only the pronunciation that is used in England. Please!
I do not see Ecclesiastical Latin being used, but I find it a pity, since it is actually a derogatory name for the Neolatin used in Europe until around the XVIII Century, where classicists were the first grammar Nazis and drove people to only use their national tongues, thus all but putting an end to the Republic of letters.
Technically, we don't know how the Romans would say it (can you show me one of them?), but if we are to go by the Classical pronunciation, it would be "kai-sar", not "kai-zar". And besides, Classical Latin does not mean "Church Latin". The latter is called "Ecclesiastical Latin" and differs from the Classical form in many ways (notably the "V" pronunciation). But still, the course should be in Classical Latin, because that is what most substantial literature (other than the Vulgate Bible) was written in.
I would add that we should have classical Latin because it's Caesar's Latin and reading Caesar's histories is the classical reason for learning Latin. Classic Latin training will teach people to understand their dogma anyway. As you mentioned they can pronounce their v's a v's instead of w's.
I think you don't understand how awesome Medieval Latin is. Nor the historical benefit. Such wonderful literature. Renaissance Latin as well. Both are considered ecclesiastical. Martin Luther wrote his theses in Latin. Medieval Latin is beautiful and to watch the language change and see the divergence of say Latin and French...Awesome.
Keltickrab - if you want beautiful medieval Latin try Italian. It's Dante's Latin that Italy brought back when they decided to nationalize one language. I find it the most beautiful language I've learned yet. After that your "medieval" Latin is the scholarly Latin - that Europe and the church tried to keep up long after Latin was no longer spoken but morphed into French, Spanish, Italian and Romanian as well as others that came up from the Roman empire including English. Really, the scholars Latin you speak of is long after it was any countries language and is still well understood by learning classical Latin - often the training for the people learning Latin in Colleges as opposed of straight through the church. Deciding to skip classical Latin is really throwing out the language. And as I said, if you actually want to learn real medieval Latin and I mean the most beautiful of it was decided by Italy to be Dante's, try Italian. They have it here on Duo. I already took it. It's worth it.
Academics use Classical Latin, not Vulgar Latin (which turned into the Romance languages), so expressions, metaphor, and slang are non-factors, as are terms for modern technology, since its use preceded such inventions. Like ten people with a Latin dictionary and declension/conjugation guide could do most of the work and make this course, and a couple Latin scholars could just go through and check for errors in nuance and connotation.
Please sign my petition to get Latin on here!
I am homeschooling mom and want to teach the kids latin. It is a great language to learn for multiple reasons, most of which have been expressed already in previous posts. We use duolingo for spanish, would love to have latin offered as well!!!!! Latin is very popular with homeschoolers, this would be a great resource for us!!
I would love a Latin course, however, you need to listen to and speak a language in order to really learn it. Big parts of Classical Latin's pronunciation have been reconstructed, but you'd need to find a person (or better several people) who've mastered the known Latin pronunciation and who is (are) willing to record the audio. If the used pronunciation for the course is the English one or whatever, I won't choose the Latin course, although I love the language.
I would love being able to speak Latin so much. At school we only translate from Latin to German (my native language), and I think I'm the only one in my course/class who can translate at least anything from German to Latin. You can't learn a language when you don't translate into it. So I really hope when they create the course (I'm convinced they will eventually), it will be good with good audio.
I think Latin is a huge lack in Duolingo, I would love to have such a course. The closest to an hypothetical Duolingo's style Latin course I know is this one http://www.micaelinguae.com but it would be good to have that built on Duolingo. And I think it would be good also to have Latin spoken in both pronunciations, Classical and Ecclesiatical...
me too, but I can write a quick story, with some mistakes as well: Olim, fur nomen Pseudolus. Eum ambulat ad urbs nomen romam et capit aurem de rex nomen Jacobus. Jacobus, autem, videt Pseudolus, et iussit vigiles capiat Pseudolus ad carcer. Itaque, Pseudolus currit ab rex, se, eheu, vigiles et rex capiat Pseudolum. Pseudolus igitur, ad rex inquit, "O improbissime, abi in malem crucem." Deinde, in carcer, Pseudolus inveniit fistula plumbea et interfecere rex nomen Jacobus. Laetus igitur abivit.
Once, there was a thief named pseudolus. He walks to the city named rome, and takes the gold of the king named Jakob. Jakob, however, saw pseudolus, and order policemen take pseudolus to jail. Therefore, pseudolus runs away from the king, but, alas, the police and king take pseudolus. Pseudolus therefore, says to the king, "you scoundrel, go to h'll". THen, in jail, Pseudolus finds a lead pipe and kills King Jakob. Therefore, he happily left
Here is a grammatically correct version of your story:
Quondam, fur nomen cui erat Pseudolus. Ambulat ad urbs, nomen cui erat Roma, et capit aurum regis, nomen cui erat Jacobus. Jacobus, autem, vidit Pseudolum, et iussut vigiles ut capiat Pseudolum ad carcerem. Itaque, Pseudolus currit a rege, sed, eheu, vigiles et rex capiunt Pseudolum. Pseudolus igitur, inquit regi, "Perfide, i ad infernum!" Deinde, in carcere, Pseudolus invenit plumbum et interficit Regem Jacobum. Igitur, abivit laete.
Could you please point the errors out? I changed a few words just to make it more literal. Also, you claimed the story as your own, so apparently you can't "write a quick story" if you really pulled it from your textbook. I would also like to inquire as to whether this story is in Classical Latin. This could be why my version is different from yours, as I wrote in Classical Latin, and if you used Ecclesiastical Latin, for instance, then there would be differences. In addition, could you tell me the name of your textbook, as there are definitely grammatical errors. For example, "Eum ambulat" literally means "He/She/It walks him," which is impossible because ambulo is intransitive. "Eum" should be in the nominative, not the accusative, which would be "is" (it isn't even required, as the verb ending betrays the object well enough).
No. Latin is the ancestor of all Romance languages. They all evolved from Latin, which is an Italic language descended from Proto-Indo-European, which is the common ancestor of all Germanic, Indo-Iranian, Celtic, Balto-Slavic and Hellenic languages, plus Albanian and Armenian, and the extinct language families Tocharian and Anatolian (I would love a Hittite duolingo course!)
If you want Latin in Duolingo sign this! :https://www.change.org/p/dulingo-add-latin-to-languages-to-learn
Latin speakers, please volunteer: http://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/la/en/status
I think a Latin course is a great idea. Having four years of secondary school Latin study (up to the advanced level of reading classical texts) and planning on undertaking further in-depth study in the near future, I would love to be a contributor if able. With a little brushing up, I could without much effort return to a relatively "fluent" level.
My experience is with classical pronunciation and am naturally biased toward that style.
Mind you, they have courses coming in KLINGON... yeah... like millions of people are itching to learn how to talk like a Klingon... unreal... the "mother tongue" of 5 languages... and contributor to many others... a course that actually helps many to learn languages (including English) much better and improves their understanding of grammar--- but nope... Klingon comes first!
The Klingon does boggle my mind. They also have Quenya and Sindarin (Elvish) in the list of languages to upvote, or whatever.
BTW, Latin is the mother of at least 7 living, national languages (Portuguese, Spanish, Catalan, French, Romansch, Italian, and Romanian) and at least a few other, non-national ones (like Occitan and Sardinian.) How many Romance languages there are largely depends on where you draw the lines between a language and a dialect, so maybe just those nine, and maybe hundreds.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I want to learn Latin. Since I speak Spanish and French, I already know a ton of Latin vocabulary, and I basically know the verb conjugations. Plus, I'll never be fluent enough in Hebrew or Modern Greek to be able to teach those, but Latin is a different beast entirely (since it's primarily taught for reading knowledge, not for production.) (I still want to take a few living Latin courses, eventually.)
I've applied as a contributor to a Latin for English speakers course, as well as an English for Latin speakers course, because although next to nobody is actually a "native Latin speaker", the majority of translations are done from Latin to English, so having both ways might be useful for many!
I transcribe old documents written in English, but often, especially with Parish registers there are notes in Latin, or the register can go on in Latin for decades of records. There are lots of times where Latin would just come in handy, gravestones, history, etc. It is so interesting to see the origins of words of several languages, not least English, that are based in Latin. It would perhaps give us a ''leg up" when studying other languages.
In response to Julia947372's frustrations:
Ecclesiastical Latin arrived relatively late on the scene, and is only one step, even only one branch on the Latin historical tree. If you are interested in getting deeper, maybe look at the Catholic Church, as they either may have classes or resources. It's been maybe 20 years since I've been in a Catholic bookstore, yet I recall they had many resources (in Detroit, at least, I haven't checked here in Houston).
Maybe concentrate on the form you want to read the most. Are you interested in reading Pliny and Marcus Aurelius in the original tongue, or maybe reading the great scientific works of Copernicus, Galileo and Newton in their slightly different alteration of the language? My suggestion is to learn with proficiency the form of Latin you are interested in most, and once you have it relatively easy, then slip into other styles. Be prepared, as the declensions and forms are not as easy to pivot as English. Here's a great video discussing the formation of good grammar in Latin from Monty Python's "Life of Brian": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8
Some colleges offer credit or even CE classes as well. I have not really found a good beginning to end online course, and I have a ton of problems with even the popular 'Wheelock's Latin' book course, though if you have more than a basic familiarity, it may prove useful.
As far as online resources, I like and use http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/classics.html. Also, for printed works, try to find editions in the Loeb Classical Library, where the original Latin is on the left side of the page, with a concise English translation on the right, with (sometimes) notes on different manuscript inclusions and translational cues. With a good dictionary or concordance, you will be more than well on your way.
Latin is not dead. It survives in our language to this day, and especially if you speak in the arenas of law, medicine, mathematics, history or science, you already know some of the language, and cognates are plentiful in our everyday usage.
I know you will do well, and I hope this note helps and encourages anyone wondering whether they can/should pursue the language.
To my mind, the answer can only be "etiam"! (And unfortunately in Latin, there are maybe half a dozen ways I could have said that!)
Thank you for your kind reply and links. My problem is I'm both interested in reading Seutonius, St. Augustine (in the original Latin), and viewing the pages of the book of Kells and seeing the language as well as the beauty of the words on the page (perhaps too tall an order for one lifetime?), the latter fitting in with my hope to understand the differences in contemporary Church Latin. However in 800 B.C. when the Book of Kells was written, I frankly don't know which branch of Latin we would be dealing with. Note, I am Anglican, not Roman Catholic. My knowledge of the history of Ecclesiastical Latin is weaker than that of Classical Latin (other than it is, as you've said, a later derivative of the post-Constatine II period). My observation has been that those with a good foundation in Classical Latin have little trouble with Ecclesiastical Latin, in my Church at any rate. If I were Roman Catholic that would likely be different, I suspect. A good foundation in the classical language is really all I am looking for. I appreciate your suggestions, however, and will follow up on the links. What I didn't mention is I am a recent Expat to Australia, so courses in the United States don't work for me. But again, thank you for taking the time to answer and recommending some online resources. Cheers!
Probably because the courses are made by the users, not by duolingo itself... If you have checked the collaboration conditions you just have to prove you are fluent in both the languages in the course (the one the course is in and the one the course teaches). It seems among the klingon and high valyrian speakers more people is interested in creating a course, than of those who speak latin or ancient greek...
And the ones who speak latin usually work with it more as something to just translate, to read and write instead of using it (a pity, from my point of view). So yeah, it would be great to find lating speakers and convince them to create a duolingo course. Once it's started and they announce it as a course in progress, I hope more people would collaborate.
Yes! Thank you so much! I made a petition for this, please sign it! https://www.change.org/p/duolingo-latin-on-duolingo
Studied Classical Latin since I was 12 and now in my fourth year of teaching it. A Latin Duolingo would certainly be handy in reinforcing to learners that Latin isn’t just a written language (the impression most learners have in the UK), it really was a spoken language.
Had anyone who had applied for creating the course received a reply?
I dont't speak Latin. I actually wanna learn it. I am willing to take on project-managing the creation of a Latin course on Duolingo. I'd try banging their door more if that's what's needed.
If Duolingo does not hear us then I'm willing to develop a mobile app with basically the same functionality, where we can make this Latin course come to life.
Please give this comment a like if you support my idea, and comment on my comment if you have a valuable comment. If I see enough support I'll start working.
Latin legal dictums are alive and well in law, and it is educationally embarrassing to use them without knowing if they are grammatically correct in a particular context. In general, if a dictum is plural, how do you make it singular, or vice versa, et cetera? I represented myself, pro se, in civil-rights actions for over 15 years, and one of my sore spots was that I am not educated in Latin, and yet there is nothing quite so effective as quoting a Latin dictum--along with citing a modern case--to demonstrate that a doctrine of law is well settled. Black's Law Dictionary is so full of Latin phrases that it is both an education in ancient law and in Latin itself. Even so, the pronunciation of those Latin phrases in court is said to be a homocide of Latin. I would like to learn Latin, and I have acquired some books for doing so, but I am not sure what pronunciation would be best. Court style? Probably not, but I also have reservations about learning ecclesiastical pronunciation, even though I would want to read the Vulgata as a part of enjoying and learning Latin. Would we need three or more pronunciation tracks with the written material: Court-style, classical and ecclesiastical? I would dump court style since it is not likely to be any more rule-bound than a court itself (been there, done that). On balance, I would probably side with classical, but why lose fluidity with actual modern speakers of eccleasiastical Latin? These are hard calls. By comparison, Duolingo chooses South-American Spanish over the Spain's Spanish, and Duolingo chooses one version of French over what must be a multitude of other possibilities, so a decision can be made. All said, I look forward to a course in Latin on Duolingo.
If anyone wants to contribute, here's the link!
It would be nice to find some Duolingo enthusiast from Vatican to contribute. It could be they state project even, it is their official language after all. I do not know how active these contributors are that we have now. In any case i hope that I will start to learn it soon.
You can see which languages are in the Incubator on the right side of the discussion page, under the sections. It is not in there, but it would be good to work on! The only problem is that Latin seems to be dying out. Not many people know it anymore, and it may be hard to find contributors.
The only problem is that Latin seems to be dying out. Not many people know it anymore, and it may be hard to find contributors.
I have already seen one highly qualified Duolingo user expressing eagerness to create a Latin course. We also have at least one other user who is fluent in Latin. It doesn't take a huge number of people to make a course; I think there will be enough.
"Dead" would imply not in use. Latin is not in use as a spoken language anymore, however, it IS very much still alive and in use throughout MANY fields of work, as Ricaloca mentioned above. Therefore it is in fact much more alive than any of the other dead root languages such as ancient Germanic or Sanskrit. It has simply become more like a tool than a language.
Latin revival on the way? Perhaps, never before have people been able to take up so many languages with such ease and accessibility as here on duolingo- let us challenge ourselves and bring back what was perhaps the greatest tongue of old.
Why learn Latin www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdjYBDD8b2I
And something to wet the appetite while we wait (to be accepted as moderators!) www.youtube.com/user/TuTubusLatinus
Latin has being undergoing a quiet revival for some time - see these for enlightenment! https://www.amazon.com/Harrius-Potter-Philosophi-Lapis-Philosophers/dp/1582348251 Almost 30000 reviews to say nothing of actual sales! And, the daily news.... http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/
Well.. I'd vote for Latin but I wouldn't call it the greatest tongue of old... Did you know that Ancient Hindi, Hebrew and even Ancient Egyptian, when pronounced in the correct way and under the right conditions, will set up a vibrational frequency that will result in the letters manifesting themselves in sand, salt, iron fillings or whatever other suitable substance is used. Like magic... This is why it is commonly believed that the ancient Hindu's and Hebrews were considered Mystics, and magicians. IE: The three wise men from the bible. They were the 3 "MAGI", the magicians from the East. Speakers of ancient Hindi and Hebrew... http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_cymatics.htm
No, the verbal paradigms are pretty similar to those of the romance languages in size, actually. Is it possible that you are mixing up with ancient greek? I'll admit, though - I haven't actually counted the forms. The biggest difference from romance languages would be the case forms, but learning this is extremely helpful for understanding grammar in general.
The difference is that Latin is more precise with grammar cases. The rest is more-less the same as modern Romance languages have it, like conjugation. As maria.nils said, if you learn Latin your doors are opened to many other languages from Europe, including Slavic ones which many people find difficult mostly due to declension system, which is a bit easier in German.
I think this is a great idea! Latin influences almost all Germanic and Romantic languages. This would be a great course, very enlightening. But I do agree with some of the other posts, that it would be very difficult to find someone with knowledge of Latin, as its presence has slowly diminished. Great idea though!
It has influenced all languages in Europe. Most of Slavic languages Latin grammar system and there are as well many verbs and pronounce very similar to Latin ones. In Croatian, which is one of most influenced Slavic languages by Latin, the similarities are bigger than with the German. =) As for English, it's Germanic languages which just uses more foreign words than original ones but can't count as Romance, it's just pure absorption without caring for original heritage.
this if for kdrussell. Latin is not a dead language. It is a commonly spoken language across Italy.
Latin has been added to the Incubator! Please apply to contribute! https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/la/en/status
I did 4 years of secondary school Latin with Lingua Latina, and I really enjoyed it. I'm a big fan of the so-called "natural method" that involves a narrative text like this one and an emphasis on actually developing some speaking proficiency in Latin (as a foundation for future language study and to improve retention).
I think it would be a good source to help with building a Duolingo Latin course, mostly in regard to how vocabulary and grammar are introduced (obviously the story component can't really be replicated).
rian501, I did go to the Incubator, clicked "help create a course" and, in the list if languages you would like to teach, I clicked "Other" and wrote Latin fot English speakers. It said I would be notified if they got enough proposals to start working on it. As you arr a Latin teacher, you can do the same thing in the Incubator. Please do so, then we'll be closer to creating a Latin course!
Please, please, please! Apply again, in this very moment this course has 0 contributors and it could be erased again!
Someone started a petition XD
I visited Change.org to investigate your petition. Closed to new sigs. Supposedly submitted to something called "DuLingo" (sic), which may explain why there has been no response. Like Duolingo itself, I'm sure Change.org is largely staffed by well-meaning, if inept folks. Maybe a second attempt at a petition should be attempted. My feeling is that Duo is certainly aware of the interest in a Latin class. They may feel that it falls outside their parameters for new languages, for whatever reason, possibly because there is no one definitive version. Here's hoping I am wrong.
I agree, I think the fact that it was sent to Dulingo (sic) instead of "Duolingo" is a non-starter for this petition. Duolingo should, due to the amount of comments over the last three years be aware of the interest. The funding for developing these modules comes from somewhere I imagine.
If they are really developing Klingon, sone dedicated Star Trek developers are working hard in this, or Paramount Inc. in the USA has dropped some cash on it. I'm sorry, I'm an Expat American, so perhaps I'm cynical. But there are resources out there for Latin - Ecclesiastical Latin, at any rate. Even the Church of England would make use of that.
Oh yes INDEED let's do this. I have submitted an application as both creator and moderator. I teach middle school Latin and I cannot TELL you how delighted my kids would be to get to 'gamify' the language. I already have a few hooked on DuoLingo just for the joy of nerding out over linguistics, so they'd be over the moon for a Latin course.
I vote for both Latin and Greek. If Duolingo can have projects for Klingon and Esperanto, we can surely have Latin and Greek, which are much more important languages. Lots of people study Latin and Greek, including school children. Lots of adults would also like to learn it. It doesn't matter that it's not spoken now.
I completely agree. While I appreciate the Klingon project (as I love Star Trek) I do wish that DuoLingo (or similar free program) had a real (and useful) language such as Latin. I'm sure that DuoLingo would have to choose a single version of Latin (as we don't really know how it was spoken) but any Latin choice would be infinitely better than none.,
Well, there might not be an immediate commercial reason to include Latin. But I believe those people who could contribute to a Latin module are generally very talented, not only in Latin. If I were Duolingo, I'd definitely want them aboard. Second, I think a Latin module might attract language geeks overall, thus also contributing to the whole.
I am currently in AP Latin and am planning to continue to study Latin into college (I am dual enrolling in Latin next year) and was pretty disappointed not seeing int on this site, although it does give me a chance to get into some other languages. I would really love to see Latin as an option!
Please please please implement this language in your program! Latin has fundamentally changed the way I understand grammar and language. It has changed my life and I know that if others were given easier access to it, it could change theirs as well. I would love to help in whatever way I can to achieve this excellent goal. Please create a Latin course.
To elaborate: My Latin teacher had us call him Magister from day one. He greeted us by saying "SALVE DISCIPULI!" to which he instructed us to respond: "SALVE MAGISTER!" Our very first Latin phrase. By the time the first day ended we had memorized the basics of first declension endings and departed by saying, "Vale Magister!" Over the next few years he would envelope his students and me in the magic of the universal language of grammar. He taught me more about my own language using Latin than I have learned in all of my years of English and Comm. classes. Although my Latin experience was more personal than this app, I believe that this app provides a very interactive format in other languages. The engagement I have experienced learning Spanish and German has been helpful in my enjoyment while learning those languages with Duolingo. If that were to be combined with my true lingual passion, Latin, well... what a wonderful gift it would be from the developers of Duolingo to the Latin enthusiast community and to those who would be introduced to the Latin language through this addition. Again, please please please, developers, contributors, and anyone who can gain support for this, please make this happen. Hear my plea! Spread the love of Latin and language itself
I got salve and the mention of the plural salvete but we used salve, too. That was Wheelocks Latin which was the most common college Latin course at the time and for decades in the USA. I have no idea what is taught now. I thought Latin went away - it did in my college after I graduated but I still very much want it on Duo. I have to echo KenionBrow as it also greatly affected how I understand English and so much more - Biology, Botany, Legalese, Astronomy, Medical terms and medicine, writing terms, etc. etc. etc. All of the European languages I've learned were so much easier because I had Latin(Latin and German seem to be the winning combo there to read all European papers - think I wasn't shocked to realize I could understand Romanian and the Norse languages phonetically?) and I still benefit from it. And, yeah I know the Romans settled in Romania and gave it it's name but I didn't realize that when I first started listening to Romanian people and I was going - wow that's a Latin dialect. The Norse languages are a whole lot of Germanic with some Latin as far as I can tell.
I learned in a very special way, my teacher makes it active, in class, when there is a story, we get to act it out while reading it, he also has a stick, you know what he uses that for (lightly tapping us, (pulsare) if we misbehave. Basically, latin,but with know repetition and textbook memorizing,(( unless we have a test))
This type of thing, hopefully! ;o)
I think it's one of the motifs that made it onto the closest things the Roman Empire had as a flag, but they were more military 'standards' or banners than a modern national flag as we know them. Here are some pictures of reproductions of the standards of the Roman Republic:-
I am using Lingua Latina and Henle right now which are working well side by side. What is annoying me, is that apart from Rosseta Stone, which I find too boring, there do not appear to be any good ways to learn a modern vocabulary. I probably know about 2000 words now and have a fairly instinctive understanding for basic grammer -- I am at what would be a solid A2 level.
When I got to this level in German I was able to spend large parts of my day thinking in German, which in turn accelerated by German and was the point at which I go genuinely proficient.
With Latin, I begin to think in Latin, but I bump into so many things every day I do not know how to process in Latin that I tend to give up and revert to English or German. That is why I am really hoping for the Duolingo course. The math is simple, if I can process my day to day life in Latin, I can get many hours of extra Latin practice every day. If anyone has any recommendations I would really appreciate it.
Unfortunately, there's no single right answer to modern vocabulary, as well... It is a dead language, and the Romans had no computers, or cars, etc. My solution has been to just give up and derive backwards. What's the Latin word for computer? There isn't one, so let's make it computer, computris. I think that the only solution might be to get together a small group that would just come up with a standard vocabulary within itself.
In all fairness, it's not in EVERY language, just all of Europe and the Mediterranean with loanwords from its derivatives further than that (which I suppose actually does take it to the large majority of the globe). That being said, this is a fantastic idea, and I'd love to help with the course!
I would love for their to be a Latin course. I'm learning a new language (Turkish), and I would like to relearn some languages I learned in school years ago. Two of those would be Latin and Attic Greek. Both are tremendously helpful in understanding language in general, and the frequent Latin and Greek roots of borrowings or neologisms in so many languages. And both languages have great literatures. We don't necessarily have to have courses to converse in these languages. Reading and writing courses would be fine. But of course it is useful to have spoken parts for better learning.
Although I will probably be far past the duolingo stage by the time this website offers a latin course, I would still like to see a latin course, preferably with classical pronunciation (or maybe both classical and ecclesiastical if possible). Roman culture is very rich and rather than viewing Latin as a dead language, I would much rather think of it as a living language since its descendants are still spoken. If one were to call the modern Romance Languages dialects instead of languages, then Latin would still technically be alive in that sense and likewise it would be the language that collectively contains all of those dialects for a total of 800 million native speakers. With 800 million native speakers, it would definitely be qualified to have an official Duolingo course.
Latin is such a great language and I have always been bummed that there isn't a Latin course. I would be more than willing to contribute. Because this site also teaches contemporary word (i.e. telephone, car, politics, etc.), I would like to recommend to Latinists two sources: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/institutions_connected/latinitas/documents/rc_latinitas_20040601_lexicon_it.html and https://ia801000.us.archive.org/12/items/TheLexiconAnglumEtLatinumByDavidMorgan/MorganAndSilvaFurmanUniversityLexicon.pdf which both help in the translation of modern concepts. I am excited about the future of this course!
why is this not a thing yet? seriously. so many people want latin. there must be a reason they haven't started yet. i mean, they started klingon before they started latin. don't get me wrong, when klingon comes out imma be first in line but it's gonna be me and like 100 other people. so many people could use duo for latin class like i used it for spanish class.
I would love to review my Latin! I am reviewing the many Romance languages I studied about 30 some-odd years ago... and have added, for my Großmutter, German and the Nordic languages (Norwegian is a starter--and the Dutch I've thoroughly enjoyed.) But Latin is the "mother" to Portuguese, Romanian, Italian, French, and Spanish... as well as being a major contributor to English and even some of the Germanic tongues. I sure hope this becomes a reality! I can already see thousands and thousands of school-kids tuning in. I love Latin.
I teach high school Latin and I have applied TWICE to start this course.
Though it seems this course won't be starting anytime soon, I did find the Duolino app called Tinycards, and I am making vocabulary cards for Wheelock's Latin.
If you want to learn some Latin on your own, Wheelock's Latin is a great textbook: easy to read, good order for grammar, and a book many colleges use.
If you want to use the flashcards, simply search "Wheelock's" on the app. I am doing the chapters one at a time, and it takes a bit since I can't do this on my computer, only on my phone, but I will have all of them up eventually.
Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church. I attended World Youth Day were Catholic youth from all over the world get together with the Pope. Everyone spoke different languages but when the mass was in Latin everyone was able to participate. Unfortunately, Latin is not taught as a second language in high school. It would be great to learn Latin here on Duolingual.
I would love to learn the Latin Language. Willing contributors would be greatly appreciated. I have studied Latin years ago. It is not easy to teach myself by books. Latin is still a living language, really a beautiful language. I really hope Duolingo will launch Latin soon.
I'm deaf myself. Sign Language is my first language. English is my second language despite the fact I grow up in Ireland, the majority of Irish people speak English. I have acquired three sign languages - Irish, British and American. I know the international sign language similar to Esperanto, the international sign language.
I'm planning to move to France in two months time. I'm learning French on Duolingo at the moment and I will learn French Sign Language when I live in France. I never heard about Duolingo until my deaf friends told me about Duolingo.
I've always been like: "Latin? Eww gosh no, get it away from me!" And then fake to puke. But since I read a particular book based on roman mythology, I started to think that maybe— maybe— Latin wasn't that bad, at least, not as bad as I thought it had been. Right now I even could consider putting an effort into studying this language. Thought, I must admit, I have always had this terrible reaction to Latin because my mother tongue is Italian, and, as you probably know, it is very, very close to it. Why I slightly repel to my native language is no mystery: after learning English, I was stunned by how easy it was compared Italian, so I started to hate reading in Italian, speaking in Italian, and generally expressing myself in Italian. I am NOT, although, saying that learning Latin is a bad idea, just sharing my experience in that field.
Schopenhauer would love this idea! I just read Schopenhauer's "The art of literature" (Amazing book btw, I recommend to any aspiring writer.) In the book he explains how when a person has a grasp of Latin, he will be able to express himself in a much clearer and concise manner even in his own mother tongue. He states that everyone who aspires to be a writer should have the Knowledge of Latin, so the writer's mind will have a much easier time finding the right words.
This makes a lot of sense given how the majority of the words in many languages trace back to Latin, etymologically speaking.
Schopenhauer reads like the ranting of an angry old man, which some people might find annoying, I personally found it amusing, but what matters is that the man does back up his rants with great arguments.
To repeat in English what Starbuck947 wrote several months ago, Duolingo is working on Klingon, but not Latin? Please, Duolingo, add Latin! There is a resurgence of interest in Latin and Classical Education and Duolingo could be part of that movement!
can we do this? I've definitely not fluent but I've studied it in school and off and on on my own over the last 10 years. I'm a little rusty but I think I could help contribute a little. I just started teaching a friend so having it on duo would be a great support and also good for those of us learning Romance languages on here
I tried taking Latin for two years in high school. I had one good teacher that made it fun but the school got rid of him becauase they keep trying to get rid of the program. I have a difficult time learning languages but this is one language I really want to learn and this is the best program I have found so far to help me. I hope they make Latin available soon!
I would also love to contribute to making Latin! I'm not sure how though - I've seen comments about there being a place to type in languages on the Incubator page, but I can't find it (maybe they've updated since those comments).
I've been learning Latin for a few years now - not fluent, but I can at least help with the first half of lessons and provide explanations to beginners!
I'm for Latin, too. I was going to take it in high school, but they dropped it just when it was my turn to sign up for it. However, I have found a Latin source with an English translation at www.onelittleangel.com. There is no grammar teaching, but, at least, one can learn words. If you know a Romance language, you'll notice a lot of similarities. I sang some Latin in choirs, so I have an idea of the pronunciation. It also includes Greek and Hebrew, using the letter forms, instead of symbols. I am enjoying it. I hope you will, too!
First of all I love Italian! It's my favorite language. I travel to Europe every so often and am in love with the languages. Italian was the one language that truly stood out to me. Italian is probably closest to Latin and after I learn Italian I would like to learn Latin, since the two are so closely rooted. After all, I'm a native English speaker and we use the Latin alphabet. I would like to suggest a Latin course to you duolingo. It has great historical and cultural significance that would be very interesting to many. Thank you!!
Sounds great! Click on this link and follow the instructions: https://incubator.duolingo.com/ For Latin, go to the end of the Language list and it will have a last entry with a question mark, select that and it will give you a field to enter: Latin. Keep following the instructions and you will receive an email. Good luck! I hope that helps! :-)
Yes, Latin would be my choice of what to study next. I started it before on a video thing, but videos don't really work for me. For me, I think Latin is VERY practical, and it's traditionally studied by everyone in the Western Hemisphere, we should have never stopped having it in our school curriculems.
I learnted Esperanto! That means I'm the sort of twonk that'll learn such a language. Looking forward to learning it with Duolingo.
Also, speakers of Latin, and with quite a bit of free time, you can add the course with the Duolingo incubator; so we get the course.
How Duolingo stopped Esperanto from 'dying' by adding its course, one is sure that Latin on Duolingo would probably double or triple its speakers.
At least 4 years people have been asking for Latin, dozens of people have said they would contribute to creating the course, and still Duolingo has not made any progress AT ALL. What gives, Duolingo? With so many requests, and so many offers from contributors, why have you not initiated this process?
I have applied to contribute to Latin on this site but I don't know if there is a team already working on it. I don't see one if anyone would like to join then perhaps we can create the course? I am not that adept at navigating this site but I might be able to do at least a beginning set of lesson(s) in Latin.
I would also like to learn Latin. I have studied from a book, but it's so much more convenient to learn with Duolingo. I would much prefer classical.
Ancient Greek would be great too. Latin would be much more useful than Klingon (fun though it may be) or other constructed languages. (I've also used Duolingo to refresh my Spanish and Norwegian, started on Mandarin, and dabbled in Turkish until my Turkish neighbors moved away.)
I wonder whether Classical or Ecclesiastical Latin would be chosen. I know that Ecclesiastical Latin is the only one still officially spoken (by catholic priests and such) but I would personally prefer Classical Latin due to my interest in history. It doesn't really matter much, since they are likely quite similar, but I would still prefer one over the other. What does everyone else think?
Hi everyone!! I am from a Discord chat where we are all devoted to learning and teaching each other languages. There are a plethora of languages currently available, but we recently added Latin! If you want to learn a language, or simply want people to practise a language with,you can join at: https://discord.gg/Mdk26c If there are enough people, I may start doing basic Latin lessons periodically, although I am still studying the language (yikes!). Thanks!
I completely agree. I have studied Latin at school for five years now and it is very helpful with grammar in English. It is also the direct root of the romance languages, and provides partial knowledge for all of them, especially Italian. Latin is cognate with almost every European language, and should especially help multiple-language learners. Hopefully there is enough support for this that Duolingo will add it soon.
They have! Latin is in the Incubator with 17 contributors! https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/la/en/status
I'm not a Latin speaker, just interested in learning it, but as I understand it, what you're saying is not true. First of all the Catholic Church very much uses it, and even outside of that, there seems to be quite a large number of speakers and it's use is pervasive in a number of fields. Also if you look at the Latin entry in the Incubator, you see Latin has a much larger number of contributors than any other entry. All I'm saying is SOMEONE is speaking it.
Most languages do not come from Latin. Latin is the base for a particular branch of the linguistic tree popular in southwestern Europe. A German or Englishman may use Latin in some contexts (law or science), but he is using a foreign language. American English, of course, tries to incorporate bits of Latin and every other language into its lexicon. However, I WOULD like to learn Latin because it has a real mystique.
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I love this idea!! I want to learn Latin and I have friends (that are not on this site) that want to learn too!! and I'm sure if Doulingo starts a Latin course, lots of people will join because this site is the best, free way to learn
Someone started a petition :) https://www.change.org/p/dulingo-add-latin-to-languages-to-learn
Yes yes yes, a thousand times yes! It would really help my Latin at school.
I used the link above and visited the site called "Change.org". I think they may have dropped the ball, so to speak. Petition had ~ 1500 "sigs", closed, states "sent to 'Dulingo'! If the petition ended up in limbo due to the blunder of some incompetent, albeit well-meaning volunteer, that may explain the lack of response from the'DuoLingo' organization. No?
Please no auto-translators. We need to learn languages in an old-fashioned way, sadly because auto-translators are incredibly annoyingly terrible translators. I recommend getting sources that teach speakers some Latin or something Latin-related or taking a course for that.
Yes, I agree. I see that people have been asking for Latin for at least two years. What we need are more people to sign up to help incubate Latin. IT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THERE ARE ENOUGH VALID LATIN CONTRIBUTORS ONBOARD. People who know Latin need to go to: https://incubator.duolingo.com -> click on the <Contribute To A Course> to Apply to become a Course Contributor -> to "Which Course would you like to contribute to?" - "Enter language name:" - Go to the bottom of the list -> select entry: "? Enter Other" - enter: Latin <return>. Then select from language English. Then you have to enter a paragraph in Latin <Why you are passionate to help> and then the same paragraph in English <Why you are passionate to help>. I used the following website to translate my English paragraph into Latin with: https://www.indifferentlanguages.com. I applied, I hope others do too.
Yeah, Latin! Besides it is interesting to see those old words which are very similar to modern languages (Specially Romance), and I would love to imagine romans speaking in their language, besides it may help to understand new words one hears, some Greek helped me understand what a diseace is about, I guess Latin could help with that as well.
Yes! I know some latin through choir singing in High School, but that's about it. Would love to learn more.
I'm afraid that if the criteria for adding a course is whether or not it's going to be profitable then we will not see a latin course any time soon. Assuming that DL profits from the free work that volunteers put in when they translate texts, it is required that there be someone that pays DL for translation services, which presents problems when it comes to classical latin. First, no company is willing to pay DL for translating Descartes, St. Augustin, Cicero, etc. because these are authors that are studied for purely academic or erudite purposes and there's no profit in it. Also, even if a company were to be interested in a classical latin translation, they wouldn't ask DL, they would have to ask a professional: translating classical authors calls for much more than knowledge of the language they wrote in. One needs to be familiar with their context, thought, influences, etc., i.e., one must have a background in certain specific fields, which exceeds simple translation work. In short, DL isn't a charity and won't spend money on the allocation of resources (bandwith, server costs, the manpower to support it, etc.) if it's not going to be able to monetize it. If the above holds true, then it seems that the reason why klingon is way higher up in the priority list than latin (something that I find almost insulting, even if I do love Star Trek) is simply, like someone else already suggested, that the franchise owners are investing in DL as a way to promote their product. Anyway, it's a real shame because a latin DL course would give common people (who in all likelihood can't afford the university education normally required to relate to these authors in their original language) an easy way to begin a journey that would certainly elevate their cultural standards quite a lot. But then again, the deepest, most sublime and profound thoughts ever written can't compete with a multi-million dollar franchise under capitalism.
There's quite a bit of evidence that direct profitability is not the only criterion for Duolingo courses. Evidence would suggest that they've gone down the route of creating 'loss-leader' courses before, which lure people into Duolingo, where they'll see how good it is and get into the habit of learning through the site in such a way that will lead those learners on to the more profitable courses. Otherwise, it wouldn't have Esperanto, Klingon or the Celtic minority languages; Irish & Welsh. Every pupil in Ireland & Wales learn Irish & Welsh respectively in their school curricula - and while the exam results are important, they may not necessarily expect themselves to reach perfect fluency, with a sense that the academic value may, to some, be greater than the practical value of attaining the language. There's a certain parallel with that to the way that Latin features in school curricula across the world. If Duolingo can get people hooked young then it can get its learners hooked for life, so exploiting school curricula is surely a key way to gain exposure - especially where Duolingo has astutely beaten its rivals to that end and essentially added a quality 'unique selling point' course to its menu.
Duolingo's business model must also have changed recently too, else we wouldn't be seeing adverts at the end of each session - so this issue of profitability must be less of a problem since this revenue-stream change, and overall take-up must be more of a factor for their profits now.
I watched the process for the Welsh Duolingo course quite keenly. The Welsh course creators were dogged in petitioning Duolingo and demonstrating that they had a team ready to construct the course swiftly, who'd discussed the potential pitfalls in advance on a Facebook group devoted to the project. The Facebook group may have been useful, not only as a forum for the course construction, but also because the large number of people joining demonstrated interest, and helped convey the number of people who cared passionately that they be on board to help create the course. Once Duolingo gave that team the go-ahead, they flew into action and had the whole course constructed in a mere few months. Surely, once Duolingo have a course that none of their rivals have - that's a whole market of people who are heading into Duolingo rather than anywhere else.
Don't despair. There's a concrete case for a Latin course, but perhaps the Latin enthusiasts haven't demonstrated that they have a dedicated team already on good working terms with each other who are currently discussing the course structure and who are chomping at the bit to construct a unique course that will give Duolingo another USP that strengthens its competitive edge and draws a whole new market of learners to their site/app.
Duolingo must make "bilingual" exceptions for conlangs like Esperanto and Klingon. I think, the lack of Latin must be from a lack of Latinists interested in contributing, or at least not sufficiently organised. Please, please, please, organise. All we need is one latinist to get the ball rolling by starting the course up in the incubator (incubator.duolingo.com) and invite other latinists. PLEASE! avrora mvsis amica!!!
Well, Latin isn't exactly used in every language - far from it. It is the root of all Romance Languages (coming from the root word Rome - the empire in which Latin was used), which includes languages such as French, Spanish, Italian, and Romanian. German, Dutch, Greek, Swedish, and most other languages have slight if any Latin influence. It is very helpful for native English speakers in order to learn romance languages, though!
On the contrary: Latin did have a major impact on German, directly and indirectly via French. The impact that is palpable everywhere in everyday vocabulary (I can confirm that as a native German speaker), even more in academic vocabulary, and a lot more in scientific language, e.g. medical terminology. In the 19th century, it has been estimated that "borrowings from Latin and French accounted for approximately one-fifth of the total German vocabulary. ". For more detail see the article on http://www.goethe.de/ges/phi/prj/ffs/the/spr/en4980180.htm.
Obviously not. But besides being the basis of all Romance languages, it is usually a major influence in other European languages; besides, because Slav, Germanic and Greek languages preserve the noun cases Romance languages lost, Latin can be a stepping stone for Romance speakers wishing to learn other languages.
I totally agree! My older brother wants to learn Latin and actually have it as an actual language. Is Latin an actual full-fledged language, or is it simply certain words have not been forgotten? It would be amazing if we could learn complete Latin, if it is a full-fledged language. Thank you in advance for responding! crossing my fingers!!
Yes, Latin is a fully fledged language. It has its own method of writing and speaking, and it has its own grammar and syntax. The Vatican is the only country that has Latin as its official language, but it still exists. Most schools that teach Latin teach Classical Latin, but there are several other types of Latin, including Ecclesiastical Latin and Neo-Latin. I think everyone one would love a Latin course!
With the inclusion of conlangs like Esperanto and Klingon (not that I have a problem with this, I am very fond of Esperanto), Duolingo is obviously not just about learning native languages.
The ancient languages are very interesting to many language learners, being the forerunner's of the languages we are learning and using today.
I would love there to be a Latin course, I think it would be well received by a lot of people.
i believe we should be able to learn latin, not only for knowing it but it can also aid us in other languages which branch off of it as there is many latin based languages on duolingo at this time. not to mention, many secondary and post secondary schools teach latin and this website could be used to aid them.
Oh, I am Pinhead Larry for not realizing or even thinking that this thread ever existed: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/15014194 That would have taken me to the right place and prevented me from clogging up the forums.
Anyway, I have been thinking about whether to learn Latin or not, and after months of deciding, I believe that it would be one of the best things that has ever influenced my life. I have three reasons for doing so:
It gives us a better idea as to how languages based on this classic Italic (Romance) language work.
I actually want to study this classic language to be able to construct my own fictional language, based primarily on German and Latin.
I, of course, want to learn this language mostly to satisfy my curiosity.
That would change how I think that modern language works forever, and it will be among the best things that have ever happened to my life. I am happy that this website has Hebrew and Greek, useful for reading Scripture, but Latin would never be devalued on this website.
True, you'd have to decide which one you're going to teach first, but to be fair the ecclesiastical is simply the common, spoken form of Latin (the Vulgate was written, after all, to be in the Latin spoken day-to-day). I love the great Latin authors (particularly Livy), but they may not be the best ones to start out learning. After all, you don't teach someone English using Shakespeare, you teach them the day-to-day stuff first, then move on to the great authors
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssss. This is a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If languages such as Klingon and High Valyrian are permitted, there are no reasons for Latin not to be here =( and the approach in the "duolingo way" would be amazing, and a lot better than the "school way", because they always teach it just for translating and not for speaking, and I believe a language, dead or not, is to be spoken, and even if you want to translate texts, it's easier to fully undersand the language if you learn to speak it. I only miss two languages in Duolingo, Finnish and Latin. Sadly I can't contribute =(
I do not know why it did not come already, duolingo can revive the whole language -slowly of course- by adding just this course and many people are interested in it. I believe that Duolingo should at least give us details about future languages and if Latin is going to be one or is in the plan for them.
How many people have to say they are interested and how many people have to volunteer to contribute? I get notifications daily of people like me who want to see Latin on DuoLingo - and this archive is full of people who have indicated willingness to contribute. Let's get Latin started!
Slightly off topic, but have you ever heard of Nuntii Latini, the weekly news broadcast in Latin on the radio and the internet by YLE, the Finnish Broadcasting Company? You can read and listen to it here: https://areena.yle.fi/1-1931339.
The sad thing is, YLE is about to put an end to Nuntii Latini. If you wish to hear Nuntii Latini even in the future and want to show your support, sign this petition. In Latin only: https://la.petitions24.com/appellite_ut_nuntii_latini_continuentur In Finnish and Latin: https://www.adressit.com/ylen_latinankielisen_viikkokatsauksen_nuntii_latini_on_jatkuttava
Please add a course in Latin!!!!!!!!
My mother knew a fair amount of latin and she said that it was extremely useful in learning European Languages, since so many of them have some basis in Latin.
I hope that you do start this course, and if you do, it will be the next language i begin learning after i have tackled the German and Spanish Trees!!!
Have you thought about applying? Go to https://incubator.duolingo.com/ Click on the Contribute to a Course and follow the prompt. By the way, Latin is not listed as a course to contribute too. But, if you go to the bottom of the Language list, the last entry if you select it, will allow you to manually enter Latin. All the other prompts and information are straight forward. I even submitted my contributor application myself even though I don't know Latin. Please apply if you wish we need you! Thanks!
Latin and Ancient Greek languages were considered to be a 'must' for any person versed in science fields, that in European universities until the '50ies of the XX century. Nowadays you could be talking with STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) PhD's and they do not know a word out of them. For any science-related expert it should be mandatory to have solid skills in these ancient languages, simply because… literally the whole history of science was created upon those two (and Arabic, if we talk about the ancient mathematical tradition).
Latin would be brilliant I would love to learn Latin it would be amassing to be able to look at the scientific name of a plant or animal and understand what it means and why it was called that or to be able to read the crumbling pages (or maybe a photocopy of the crumbling pages ) of an old book or (possibly the Hogwarts school motto in a not so crumbling new book) Latin has effected our language and our lives so much it may have lived as a language of an empire but it has been reborn as a language of the world having a Duolingo course would do so much for Latin BRING ON LATIN
Not going to lie... I've been wanting to learn Latin mostly because of lines in movies... like when it is spoken in the Exorcist, or the whole "Levi-o-sa" stuff in Harry Potter.
And of course my favourite, "There is no J in Latin, so Jehova is spelled with an I!"
So, I'll be another person here whose main draw has been destroying artifacts from improbable sites that the more interesting parts is the OOParts that comprise the traps to the artifact (with the traps Indiana is dodging being the most valuable part of that dig site)... with a bit of Harry Potter thrown in... now... what if we combined Indiana Jones with Harry Potter... hmmm...
I know, right? Honestly, I think learning Latin will help us further understand our own language and other languages. Since it's sort of like a core language, it might help learn other languages too! Also, for some reason, I have an interest in Greek and Roman gods... couldn't hurt.
I'd like to see a Latin course. In particular I am interested in learning Latin words that serve as the base of modern scientific and medical vocabulary although I would rather learn this as part of an actual full language course and not just a list of words to memorize.
My Latin teacher, just by knowing Latin, knows how to speak, read and write in Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese and can speak English better than the English teachers can themselves! I would understand why Duolingo would stall, or objectify, this idea, because learning Latin root words isn't too hard; it's the grammar and context for the endings of the words that makes it seem nearly impossible to learn Latin. To learn what context the endings of these words are supposed to be, my Latin teacher has something called the "Synopsis of Paradigms". A book of all reference points that are needed to configure, write and/or speak the language correctly. Keyword: BOOK. there are so many endings for each and every word, that a BOOK is required to know how to form a sentence. This is the main reason why Latin is so hard to learn: it is the endings. So if there is some way to make learning Latin easier, that would be nice, but all in all Latin is a language that should be taught on a website that teaches languages, mostly Western, which will give more insight on how sentences are formed and learning more words in different languages too. So Duolingo, I ask you in favor of all people, including me, to teach Latin on your website. Thank you.
Hello there, I must disagree about the fact that Latin is inherently hard to learn and I offer you this comparison with the Finnish language (Suomi), which is the perfect natural candidate to drive you nuts. Let's take the example of the declination cases:
– Latin (cases) : #6 (plus the 'locative' case, which is extremely rare)
– Finnish (cases): #15
Latin, in comparison to Suomi, is a walk in the park. The following is a quite famous joke, which is thoroughly true:
I began Latin in middle school, and added Ancient Greek in college to be a Classics major. I found Latin very easy up to a point, then began to find it more difficult than Greek because of duplication of forms for different purposes and something about word order that I found counterintuitive. There was something about Ancient Greek that fit better for me as a native English speaker.
That's super interesting! I had the opposite experience learning Latin and Ancient Greek (I learned Latin all through high school and then also learned ancient greek in college) and I found that personally I can usually read latin pretty easily (depending on the text of course) but greek gives me so much trouble! I find that Latin makes more sense to me as a native English speaker and Ancient Greek is super counterintuitive!
Hi, guys. I study latin on my own. Just books. And I need help with translations of two sentences. I would appreciate your assitence. So:
"Puellam bonam et pulchram amō." Does it mean "I love good and beautiful girl."?
"Sapientia virōrum perītōrum saepe ā poētīs cantātur." Does it mean "The wisdom of experienced men is often sung about by poets."?
1: Very close! For better English, you should add an article (a/an/the) to the sentence. Latin doesn't have these, so we have to insert them wherever it makes sense. "I love a good and beautiful girl" or "I love the good and beautiful girl", depending on what context sounds right to you.
2: Excellent! You COULD also do "Experienced men's wisdom is often sung about by poets", but that sounds super clunky. Your version would be the better one.
I'm VERY interested in learning Latin. I understand it's "dead", but it's the mother to all Romance languages, and it's one of the most influential languages in the history of Southern Europe, the Mediterranean, and parts of the Middle East. The Roman Empire has arguably the most important impact on Modern and Ancient Europe, and the language alone would unlock more possibilities both historically and linguistically. I'm honestly surprised it isn't an added language already, being so popular among linguists for its sheer impact on the Romance family tree. If it were up to me, I would make it the official language of another country if I were to run that country, making it a required course, and all citizens would have to pass a fluency test to be able to have legal rights XD I kid, but still. Beautiful language, and it would be wonderful if we could learn it.
I am not sure why it is taking Duolingo so long to move forward with Latin. While we wait, you may want to check out Latin at Mango Languages https://mangolanguages.com/available-languages/learn-latin/
I sort of doubt that finding Latin experts is the hold up. I know that I have already told them that I would be willing to help put the course together and I've seen many posts with people who would also be willing to create the course. Lack of interest in both the expert side and with users is not the problem.
I am not sure why it is taking Duolingo so long to move forward with Latin. While we wait, you may want to check out Latin at Mango Languages https://mangolanguages.com/available-languages/learn-latin/
I am not sure why it is taking Duolingo so long to move forward with Latin. While we wait, you may want to check out Latin at Mango Languages https://mangolanguages.com/available-languages/learn-latin/
I would love Latin to be an option on here! Its such a great language in the sense that once you know it, it's easier to speak any European language, as the majority of them are based on Latin anyway. Unfortunately, I don't speak the language, but I urge anybody who does to contribute!
I would love if Duolingo added Latin, I am learning it in school. Learning Latin can help know more words in English, because of Latin roots. It also helps you learn the Romance languages. Last year, I had a bad Latin teacher, so I would have, and will love a Duolingo to supplement what I am doing in class, as well as help me do well in class.