https://www.duolingo.com/profile/8yghuyfrbjhf

Russian takes longer than other courses

In all other courses such as French, Spanish, German, etc., It only takes 8 questions to get through a "level", In Russian it takes anywhere from 16-25 questions. Why is this?

July 29, 2016

42 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

I have to say I chuckled in approval at reading this.

I'd add that, not only are there more questions per each lesson, but the frequency of longer sentences is far higher than in any other course I've taken. That said, there is a lot of repetition which I haven't seen in other courses except in the English courses I've taken from other languages. Though, I don't mind having to translate a sentence both ways and transliterate it in the same lesson, sometimes one right after the other, as is the case fairly often. While it may seem like you're beating a dead horse in some instances, repetition is really where the magic happens.

For those still wondering what we're talking about, here's an example:

A typical course, let's say German, will have a sentence say something like, "We hear words."

A typical Russian course sentence of same value will say something like, "We hear words, but today, Tom doesn't hear anything because Anna bought the generic kind of batteries for Tom's hearing aid whilst Tom specifically requested the genuine Zinc batteries, as recommended by the manufacturer." ;)

Anyway, thought I'd share my two cents with you and tell you that you aren't alone in this thought. I also think that what Olja said plays a role, as well.

В случае если жизнь дает вам лимоны - добавьте водку. True statement ;)

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AleksLazo

В случае если жизнь дает вам лимоны - добавьте водку. matter of course! ha-ha))

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

Irkutsk in the house! ;) Брат, как дела в сибирском париже? 100% хаха За здоровье и спасибо за исправление.

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AleksLazo

Здорово, братишка! Новый мост построен, много новых зданий интересных построено и обворожительные девушки в красивых юбках гуляют летом. Красота ))

August 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AleksLazo

Я прошу прощения за задержку ответа - много приятных летних дел)

August 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

Без проблем мой брат. Это хорошо, mне нужно прийти в ваш красивый город.

August 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AleksLazo

"Без проблем, мой брат. Это хорошо, мне нужно приехать в ваш красивый город."

Прийти - это ногами, слишком долго, думаю. Конечно, приезжай, у нас гостеприимный город, скучать не будешь!

Как тебе удается столько баллов набирать?

August 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

Да, я считаю, огромное спасибо.

Я много использую так называемые, "Погружение."

August 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flootzavut

I laughed out loud at your last sentence!

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

:)

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Medard

Is this from Duo? :)

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

Yes. It was in the spirits skill bubble which opens up as a bonus skill if you complete each 16 question lesson with 7-8 answers. ;)

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

yet another comment of appreciation of your last sentence :D

July 31, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

Челябинской лимонад ;)

July 31, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VioletteNoire

Haha your "typical Russian sentence" made me lol hard... Have some lingots...

August 4, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

Несколько?! Даешь линготы такая как и залить водкой? ;) Большое спасибо и я рад, что ты посмеялась.

August 4, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AleksLazo

"Даешь линготы такая как и залить водкой?"

Я не уловил смысл этого предложения, хочешь дать ей линготы и угостить водкой?... Какой аналог на английском?

Большое спасибо и я рад, что ты посмеялась.

August 5, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

Спасибо, король!! Да, это предложения было очень трудно... "Do you give out lingots in the same manner with which you pour Vodka?" Но, я думаю в сербскохорватском когда я пишу на русском языке... Мы скажем, "Дали дајеш линготе/ове како и сипаш водку?" :)

August 5, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cazort

I really love the long sentences...I think it helps me to think in the language and prepares me to understand the spoken language better.

I've completed the German, Spanish, and Portuguese courses, and especially in Portuguese, I still struggle with listening comprehension...i.e. I've found my listening lags far behind my speaking ability.

I haven't gotten very far in the Russian course but I'm anticipating that having longer sentences will actually help me get more out of the course in the long-run, even if it makes it much harder to get through.

August 1, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

You're right. Though, if one reads all the rules and exceptions thoroughly, the length and complexity of sentences wouldn't matter so much.

Just wrapped it up and it is an excellent course. Certainly one of the better ones I've taken on here, though I've enjoyed every course I've taken except one.

Good luck in your studies.

August 1, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TrioLinguist

Which one did you not enjoy?

August 1, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

Esperanto. And not because there is anything wrong with the language, au contraire, but the course is heavily littered with half-hidden references to God, unapologetically. Don't have an issue with God, but there is a time and place for everything.

August 1, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Olja.
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More words and forms of verbs and grammar structures to learn :)

July 29, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/8yghuyfrbjhf

Okey dokey :)

July 29, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Martin_0550

Maybe because there is more stuff to learn?

July 29, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PolMicheal

The lessons, when clicking on an individual lesson in a specific skill, tend to be about 7 or eight questions (but occasionally longer) while when I click to strengthen a skill I get about 20 or more questions. I'm not sure why there's such a difference. It doesn't really bother me but I do wonder...

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/John00625

8 questions? Every lesson in French and Spanish is around 20 questions or less until you finish them sans errors

July 29, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

As far as I know it's 7-9 on webversion and 15-20 on apps.
It was before 15-20 everywhere then changed on webversion some months ago.

If not 7-9 for everyone, then it may (be one or several of):

  • be a still on going A/B test
  • depend on your past track in the language and/or skill and/or lesson and/or lexemes composing the exercise
  • depend on the course (maybe some are still on the old system on webversion and others on the new one
July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alHadzya

That's incorrect. I've been working on the Russian course every day since I started a week ago and after having completed 254 lessons (72%) out of 350, I can tell you with 100% certainty that what I said in my first comment is the case. And, also what the op is alluding to stands. I've also worked on the course via my phone (ca. 10% of the time) and while I haven't counted or taken notice to the number of questions per each lesson, they are on the lengthier end.

This rumor which is spreading like the plague about A/B testing, where is everyone getting this from? System testing is 9/10 a matter of the back end and I would hope Duolingo runs these tests on a regular basis irrelevant to the front end.

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

This rumor which is spreading like the plague about A/B testing, where is everyone getting this from?

From the fact that Duo is running A/B tests all the time. There are for example at least 56 currently running (on the different platforms.

The fact that Duo has tested to have only 7-9 instead of 15-20 (at least on some courses) comes from my own experience using the webversion and also from few direct discussions with staff in the incubator.
What I don't know (cf. my above post) is if they ended the A/B test of this change (7-9 instead of 15-20) for webversion or if it's still running.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that what I said in my first comment is the case

...is the case for you.
With all the A/B tests running and the fact that all courses don't run exactly on the same system, we often don't have all the same thing on all ends.

That's incorrect.

Which part is incorrect? The one saying that IF everybody hasn't 7-9 questions (when answering everything correctly, of course) then it may be for one (or several) of the 3 reasons I gave ?

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/John00625

It probably is an A/B test, Duolingo runs way too many to keep track of honestly. I would hate to have 7-9 questions anyways, I wouldn't learn that way.

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneysha7

He meant without any errors ( which is pretty difficult to achieve in French, at least). And, of course like you said, some lessons have about 20 questions at times. :)

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/John00625

Even without errors its more than 8, it's like 15-20 normally.

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneysha7

True...the 8 question comes when the topic is pretty easy or if there are some 10 lessons in 1 skill. :)

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hughcparker

Since this post is about Russian, could you move it to the Russian forum? More of the people who are interested in Russian will see it there, and it will help keep this forum un-cluttered.

Don't delete it and create a new one, just click edit, and change the topic from Duolingo to Russian. Here's a guide on how to move a post: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/16609773

Thanks :)

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/8yghuyfrbjhf

okay I did it :)

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HistoryCulture

I believe that other courses are just less compressed, Maybe due to needing to get your head round to a potentially foreign script?

July 29, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TrioLinguist

From what I've heard, the Russian script is the least of a learner's troubles.

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SDPhil

You are correct. After a day or two, you can be literate in the language. The only letters I still have problems with are ь and ъ.

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HuDragonCriminal

For those two, there are a few simple rules regarding pronunciation. There are numerous helpful videos to explain soft and hard consonants.

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SDPhil

Do you mind sharing them on my page? :-D

July 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flootzavut

^ accurate.

July 30, 2016
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