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"Azok a hidak nagyok, amelyek a hegyek között vannak."
Translation:Those bridges which are between the hills are big.
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Same remark: some sentences with the similar construction (azok az) are translated with "the" and other with "those" sometimes "the" is accepted, sometimes rejected. I fully agree with Arcaeca that this course is currently full of inconsistencies. This may explain why it takes such a long time to correct them. Let's be patient.
The "az a konyv hosszu" sentence translates "az a" as simply the. Now, just because it's plural, all of a sudden it means those. Can we get some consistency, please?
Actually it is consistent ; ez/az = this/that, ezek/azok = those/these. But the sentence structure is different than it is in english : (article) a (noun), (pronoun) (relative clause)
"Those bridges between the hills are big" would convey the exact same meaning. This translation is unnecessarily pedantic
Getije-Gaii is absolutely correct. Thats how a native English speaker woul say it
sometimes "az a" is that or the. Sometimes "azok a" is those or the. And if we use the other one is wrong :(
I really don't understand this one... I wrote " Those big bridges are between the mountain" and i don't know why this isn't correct...
That would be
Azok a nagy hidak a hegyek között vannak.
The difference here is that the statement above is more a differentiator. It implies there are more bridges that we could be talking about, but the ones between the mountains are the ones we are describing as big. Your statement implies that those big bridges are the only ones we could be talking about. The use of "amelyek" is a big deal here.
Thank you :) Ain't this a bit hard to elaborate while listening? I mean the position of "nagyok" compared to the only 2 language I know is confusing, I'm sure that it has a good logic/grammar rule to be there, but I still struggle to understand.
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It's not any different than in English, 'cept for the missing verb. :)
Azok a hidak nagyok - Those bridges are big
Just need to insert the relative clause now.
Your understanding is absolutely correct. The whole exercise here is built around a nuance meaning to emphasise 'that one single specific' versus 'some other unspoken one that is different' and could be understood from the context. As a native speaker I'd never use this structure. Very arbitrary and subjective.
I guess nuance meaning should be kept till later in the course. Especially when some of the native speakers are not even using some structures...
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Can this statement be read as being about all bridges between hills (i.e. the "a" is akin to the grammatically mandatory ones in general statements)?
Nope. The use of 'azok a' here is very specific. You would need 'minden' in there to infer what you're asking about.
How would you say in Hungarian "THE bridges that are between the mountains ..."?
If only the lessons were consistent in requiring the or those when az/azok are used. I've seen "those" rejected when azok was used, and now I've had "the" rejected in the same place.
amelyik / amelyek - both words mean which so is this a case of sound harmony? if yes which sound?
That would be: "A hidak, amelyek a hegyek között vannak...". But, as a native speaker, I would avoid such a descriptive structure, and lean towards the compressed ones: "A hegyek között levő hidak..." or even: "A hegyek köz(öt)ti hidak..."
The part in parentheses can be freely added or omitted, as stylistic variants. So, "köz(öt)ti" means both "közti" and "közötti".
"közötti" means exactly that: "someone/something that is between". The Hungarian language uses those compressed structures quite a bit.
That woul be " Azok a hidak nagyok, amik a hegyek között vannak". When use amelyek/amik ?
The English translation is in no man's land, being neither correct or common English, but nor is it permitted to directly translate the Hungarian.
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Anyway, it gives me the common structure of the Hungarian sentence. I don't care about English "correctness" in this course, as I am neither Hungarian nor English speaker, but I know English much better.
Amelyik is singular, amelyek is the plural version
azok a hidak .... amelyek
az a híd .... amelyik
This is an incorrect translation.
The english says: "the bridges between the hills are big" The Hungarian says: "the big bridges are the ones between the hills."
These two sentences do not mean the same thing! The english describes the bridges between the hill, whereas the Hungarian describes how these bridges differ from other ones.
Wrong for punctuation? What a load! Those bridges, which are between the hills are big, should have been accepted! The comma is in the Hungarian!
