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Great New Changes to Immersion

Immersion has been rethought and is now 200% better!

To advance a tier, you must have at least 100 votes with at least 90% of them positive.

Also, you can only receive so many votes based on how long the sentence you translate is. You can get 1 positive vote for every 5 words you translate in a sentence. Example: 5 words=1 vote, 10 words=2 votes, 50 words=10 votes

I like these new updates and I think it will encourage people to translate actual sentences (rather than just 1 word to farm votes) with a higher quality standard. Keep it up Duolingo!

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/ziggKogg
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You can also split the credit with other users once you edit a translation.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/arethusa

Yes, I just noticed that as I was editing another person's translation. Do you know exactly how that works?

Does it only work if both of you are at the same tier or does it make a difference one of you is at a high tier and one at a low tier? That makes a great deal of difference because somebody at a high tier gets no credit when those at a lower tier upvote them, but people at the bottom get credit from everybody.

What if the original translator did a 30 word sentence and you only change one or two words? What if you only made a small correction (ie, plural/singular, past/future tense, spelling mistake or something else minor but necessary)?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ziggKogg
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Unfortunately no, I don't know how it works. Maybe there will be an official statement about it soon.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PatriciaJH
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Yes, I love this, I love this, I love this. I've been making a point of upscoring previous good translations before I edit, these things are so often incremental progress.

Losing ongoing credits when someone edits a translation was putting us into unnecessary competition.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I was so excited when I saw the changes! (Though, I thought this was only available in test groups for right now?) This is a great example of how Duolingo works. They start out with an idea, give it to users, and collect feedback, and then improve on it step by step. xD

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Markmcopc
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This is getting a lot better all at once. Thanks Duolingo. Unfortunately, people still don't like to check long sentences in long articles. I've translated thousands of words without any votes up or down. I would be content if translating 100 words (or even a 1000) got me 1 automatic step closer to a higher credibility tier.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pcampisi
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This is great, it was really discouraging to see people down vote your sentence and not leave a comment or an updated sentence. I actually quit doing immersion because of this, but I might give it another shot now. Other times, I'd get downvotes because people would change the word to a synonym (coche to auto, etc..) Frustrating.

I'm not entirely sure what the 90% means. Does that mean the first 10 down votes won't affect you? For example: 1) If I have 100 up votes and 9 down votes (of the same tier or higher), I will go up a tier despite the 9 down votes 2) If I have 100 up votes and 10 down votes (of the same tier or higher), I will need 1 more up vote in order to go up a tier.

Is this documented anywhere? I can read that up. It's just not clear to me what your description means.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PatriciaJH
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"At least 90%" means you can have 10 downvotes out of 100 and go up a tier.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EleniaT
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This is a good change. I'm only tier one because I haven't done that much immersion, but it would frustrate when people would change a single word of my translation to something that was either the same or (in my opinion) less natural.

I feel uneasy when making changes to other peoples sentences because I don't want anyone to feel like that either :P However, sometimes a translation, even one that has been checked, is unnatural, or I think that there is a better translation that carries across the meaning of the original sentence better.

When I first did immersion, I was able to comment on my translations, which was nice, but now that seems to have gone? There is one thread for the entirety of the document which I'm using in the meantime, but that's not very helpful for explaining translation choices. Am I missing something? I'm still pretty new here, so that woudn't be unlikely!

EDIT: I'm definitely missing something - someone just commented on an edit they made of my translation. I'll have to look again.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jeanprendiville

I agree. Some changes are the difference between English English and American English. Many revisions are correct but no improvement on the previous translation. What really discourages me is when someone replaces the translation with an obviously incorrect correction and gives the person a down vote. Perhaps more prominence could be given to the Immersion guidelines.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EleniaT
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Yeah. It would be nice if they were available as soon as we enter immersion.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kassandra8286
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Elenia, to add comments you have to make sure that you are translating in "Original" mode, not "Translation".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EleniaT
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Thank you! Have a lingot, not knowing how to comment made me reluctant to do immersion. Now I can translate without worry!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/icundell

Yes, a great improvement: it makes much more sense. I also like the "share credit" option and will only deselect it:

-when fixing obvious bot translations that have not been passed through a human brain (which still happens far too much);

-and also for those whose sole change is from English to US English, or vice versa. That really is disrespectful.

I think Immersion will work much better if it is oriented towards collaboration, rather than competition and support anything that encourages this.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idril81
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Are you planning changes in the voting system to avoid unjust downvotes? It still seems to be a problem.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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@idril81, Duolingo currently has a couple of Beta groups testing alternatives. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/patbo
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The real frustrating part about immersion is that when you have translated some text, you keep getting notifications that people have changed your translations and more than half of them are just different style, more literal while losing the real meaning, or simply wrong.

So you translate the text once, and then you watch how it decays.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Klgregonis
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I would agree that it is frustrating to see someone change a translation to a more literal, but less understandable or meaningful English translation - especially when you explained your choice of words!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idril81
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What about sentences that are shorter than 5 words? Can one get votes for them at all?

4 years ago