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"τ ταυ"

Translation:t tau

August 31, 2016

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jeanprendiville

With all due deference this is most peculiar!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaye16
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Yes, I agree. At this early point int the course there isn't enough vocabulary to make better sentences.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jeanprendiville

I do not want to be negative but if I was starting Greek this first module would discourage me. I find that the way the sounds are introduced is unhelpful and very confusing. I have completed the owl many times in the Greek to English course and reached level 20 but this module baffles me. I know it is very difficult to teach the sounds of the alphabet but what if the sounds were introduced later on when students have had some practise listening to the recorded voice. After all sounds are not introduced in the E/G course. I think it is a hang over from the very academic way Greek is taught to English speakers in universities.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaye16
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Yes, that's the way I remember it too. The idea of introducing the sounds later seems very reasonable. I don't know if it can be done now but I'll try.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ChrysiCh.

I understand that it can be difficult now (or even impossible) but how about introducing the Greek letters as part of syllables and words, like they were introduced to us (the native speakers I mean) when we were taught reading in δημοτικό (primary school). Something like π+α=πα, τ+α=τα --> πατάτα. I know that teaching a language is different when it's a foreign one, but I see how confusing it can be for non-native speakers to try to learn the names of the letters first. Even us, that we did have some sort of understanding about the letters and the sounds they make (even if only in a pre-fundamental level), in first grade we covered the sounds and every possible syllable first, and then we were taught their names and the alphabet as a whole.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vistonreve

What jeanprendiville says has sens to me, but I myself like the way you introduces the greek alphabet :-) The only addition you could do is to add substantives beginning with the involved letter. On the other hand, the given example with "t tau" is a little bit struggled to really being able to undrestand it :-p (sorry for the bad english, it's not my mother tongue) ^^


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hectorlqr

I was thinking exactly the same thing! I liked the intro lessons of Russian and Hebrew better. Maybe they can change this lesson to be moreike the alphabet lessons of Russian and Hebrew.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/benton.1

No, please don't change to how the Hebrew course introduces the letters! I already knew the Hebrew alphabet and vowels very well before I started the DuoLingo Hebrew class. If I had not, I could not have stuck with it. It is way too hard and frustrating to try to learn a language, especially one that uses a different alphabet, without having been taught the alphabet and the sounds of the letters first. This is especially true of Hebrew where letters can have multiple sounds and all sounds are not even represented by letters (most vowels). I don't know if DuoLingo is collecting any statistics, but I dare say that the people who are sticking with the DuoLingo Hebrew class are probably people who studied some Hebrew before, or who took a break to learn about the alphabet and vowel system before continuing. With the exception of them not teaching the alphabet and pronunciation first, I do like the Hebrew class.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaye16
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This is invaluable advice which we could not have had if you hadn't shared it. It gives us cause to rethink our plan as there is nothing more vital than personal experience. We do know that we need a method with fewer chances of error. As it is now the plan which it had been believed would cover all areas can be confusing and frustrating which is why we looked to other courses to see how the alphabet was taught. Many thanks from all of us for your concern in sharing your experience with us.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NicMdE21

Your attention please!
New "male" TTS voice: Pronunciation incorrect. I reported it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hilarymcca5

Garbled audio - I shall report.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SPanya4

It says write in English "τ ταυ" and the answer is "t tau" - this is English?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaye16
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This skill has been doing strange things as you'll see from the other comments here. Check out one of them that shows you.

HOW TO GET THE GREEK KEYBOARD These links will not only show you how to get the Greek keyboard but also how to find the Greek letters on it, how to add accents etc.

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22040507 It will also help you learn the alphabet and where to find other

THE GREEK ALPHABET https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22424028

And here is another to help you navigate Duolingo

FAQ - General Questions, Bugs & Reports https://www.duolingo.com/comment/23799672

Some simple hints to get you started:

1.Always read the comments before posting.

Read the Tips & notes right below the list of lessons on your Homepage

Read the drop down hints. Pass your cursor over a word and a list of words will appear.

These are the official Duolingo guidelines which you should read. https://www.duolingo.com/guidelines And these will answer lots of questions about how Duo works. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/8000024

If you have questions just ask.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmoteeOla

Everything is possible I too was having problems when I started Greek,but now I am getting smarter


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OmoteeOla

Please just use click on Gboard and select Greek and pick any keyboard Greek has.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulinePot1

this sounds like 'taf am/el' the second half undecipherable. Also even if I could hear the second half how do I know whether you want the letter followed by the name of the letter or the other way round?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Siferzion

Ran into an interesting bug, if I typed ταυ ταυ, it would inform me that I was typing in English not Greek. Anyone else had this issue?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DaveAuld

Tau t or t tau should be accepted.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaye16
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Yes, they should but this skill is having bug problems.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PauloWerneck13

I really do not like this unit. The sound is horrible. The questions are not interesting.

Suggestion: do as in arabic. Several alphabet lessons, each one adding a few more characters, in which words with no meaning are taught just to become accustomed with the sound.

As is is very disgusting.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaye16
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We agree although we wouldn't use such harsh and offensive language when referring to the efforts made by the team to introduce the Greek alphabet. As an educational platform, it can be assumed that those working here would understand your meaning using more judicious rather than derisive language.

The problems with this Skill are the main reason we have created a New Tree, but we're waiting for the new audio, which is out of our hands, to be approved before it can be released. Just skip over this Skill, if you want to check out the alphabet see these:

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/23430853

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/22040507

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/22424028


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Celso491350

the audio is absolutely uncomprehensible


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Christina243983

Absolutely ridiculous that i should type "ταυ τ" and be marked incorrect! My Greek husband got a chuckle out of this, but i'm not laughing. Seriously folks, I agree with the many posts, get the basic programming issues fixed so us newbies have a chance of making it past the alphabet


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/D_..
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Maybe the exercise asked you to type in English?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulinePot1

I agree. If I had not already known the alphabet I would have dismissed this course as being completely useless. If Duolingo want to keep their good reputation they need to redo this section.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BRYANDENSE

audio said to type what I HEARD so I typed ταυ ταυ and it was marked wrong. How can that be? How am I supposed to hear the letter and then the spelling?

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