Is fearr Gaeilge bhriste ná Béarla cliste!
To all people of Irish descent,
It is with great pleasure that I wish to inform you that I have applied for an English-Irish course in the incubator and I should hear from Duolingo within the next few days.
I myself have a great interest in languages (I am fluent in English, Irish, German, French and Italian) but Irish is most definitely my favourite.
Why learn Irish? Well, Irish is a beautiful language that is surprisingly easy to learn and speak and what better way to connect to the Isle of Saints and Scholars than to learn the native language!
Please show your support and interest for this course and if you like the idea, I'll keep you all posted with any updates.
Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam
this is great news- I love this language. I tried to teach myself before, but it is so hard!
Just to spare you potential disappointment though: Courses are being rolled out rather slowly, about 1 per week, so some courses will be added later than others. It might be weeks rather than days before you hear back about the course! Don't let that discourage you though. I am certainly looking forward to this course :-)
I honestly don't mind when it gets rolled out, as long as it does eventually. On the other hand, there is plenty of preparation work to be done.
One thing which I realised may be an issue is a text-to-speech engine. Duolingo will need to obtain, or else develop, a TTS engine for Irish. I haven't looked personally, but do you know of any out there? And are they decent quality (as far as a TTS can be)?
"Glaoch orm b'fheidir" is mo amhrán is fhearr liom! - sorry Irish not quite up to scratch. Love the language but taking it at ordinary leaving cert. hopefully become fluent here someday as I would love to be taught it as a language- in school it is taught more like English. Thanks for appling to add gailge!
"Around the turn of the 21st century, estimates of native speakers ranged from 20,000 to 80,000 people. In the 2006 census for the Republic, 85,000 people reported using Irish as a daily language outside of the education system, and 1.2 million reported using it at least occasionally in or out of school. In the 2011 Census, these numbers had increased to 94,000 and 1.3 million, respectively. There are also many Irish speakers abroad, particularly in the United States and Canada" (From wiki) That would be awesome
I support this! I'm not sure if I'll actually end up taking the Irish course myself, although I think it's a cool language, but I really like the idea of Duo having less commonly taught languages available. I think it could help raise awareness of linguistic diversity and also serve as a good basic learning tool for languages that might otherwise not have as many educational resources available to people who are interested in them.
Yes! Irish is on my language bucket list! ... Yes, I have a language bucket list. Also I'm 1/8 Irish!
I saw/enjoyed your bucket list discussion and was surprised and delighted at the amount of people who put irish on their list!
You trace down your closest full Irish ancesters and then you divide their influence by two for each generation that you are apart.
One parent - 1/2 Irish; One grandparent - 1/4 Irish; One great grandparent - 1/8 Irish; One great grandparent, one grandparent - 3/8 Irish
1/[sum over ancesters (ancester x 2^generation distance)]
In the 24 hours it's been since I made this post, I have been truly overwhelmed by the response. I want to thank everyone who has shown an interest in my course as it will really keep me motivated. It is a great start to what I hope will be a very worthwhile course. Tús maith, leath na hoibre!
It is heart warming to realise the amount of people interested in learning Irish. I am actually very surprised that so that this discussion go so high. Let's keep going- almost first!
Tá aláinn áthas orm!
I just moved to Dublin and would like to learn some Irish. I have a bit of Irish blood on my mum's side. The only words I am learning right now are all the stops on the Green Luas line. :-) I hope it works out. In the meantime I'm learning Italian.
I look forward to when there is an Irish course on Duolingo. :) I am half Irish, half Scottish (already dabbling in Scottish Gaelic - but just the very basics), with many native Irish-speaking relatives in Donegal - I look forward to one day being able to communicate with them in Irish. :)
Where are you from, out of curiosity? I know there are three main dialects; I'm curious as to which you speak. :)
Also, I know of a site which has fluent Irish speakers - perhaps registering and suggesting that they apply to incubator too would help. http://irishlearner.awyr.com/
I live in Cork so I speak Munster Irish but my Irish teacher was from Galway so I'd be familiar with Connacht Irish, too. If the the course gets Incubated I will do my best to incorporate all dialects and maybe I could get a contributor from Ulster so that dialect is covered.
Ah, I know some folk who live in Cork! Yeah, I definitely think it would be good for Duolingo to ensure that each dialect is represented - when they decide to go forward with the course, it might be worth putting that forward to them. :)
I wish I was taught the language growing up, but for some reason my mum didn't want to! -_- The best I got was my uncle teaching me to say 'póg mo thóin', because that's just the way of things. :P Ideally, I'd be able to introduce myself to someone before asking that of them! :)
Good luck with the course! I hope it's not too far down the line 'til it gets greenlit!
Btw, shot in the dark perhaps, but I had a childhood friend whose name sounded like the English word 'ruin' - don't suppose you know which name that might be and how it is spelled? I've wanted to search the name online but have no idea how to spell it, and my guesses never seem to turn anything up :S
The only name I could think of that would be similar is "Rian" which is the Irish for Ryan. There is an Irish word, "Rún", which means 'secret' but that would be an unlikely name.
I'm in Cork too, planning on starting my learning of [Cork] Irish soon! Already go to Gael Taca weekly for the Wednesday lunchtime trad sessions. Ceol agus tae! :) Was reading an interesting article recently about how Cork Irish in its written form is the 'purest' of the dialects in terms of it's closeness to old Irish. Thus it is closest to written Scots gaelic. :) http://corkirish.wordpress.com/why-cork-irish/
Thanks for the link. Amusingly I too am 1/2 and 1/2 Scots-Irish, looking forwards to Duolingo course as gailge! :)
Yeah, they're both Gaelic (Goidelic) languages along with Manx (also sometimes referred to as Manx Gaelic). It's common to just say 'Irish' in Ireland, and 'Gaelic' in Scotland, for the respective languages.
In Ireland, it's just called "Irish". "Irish Gaelic" would make you sound like someone from Britain or USA.
I am moving from the US to Ireland soon and would love to learn a little Irish!
I'd love to give it a try someday to at least learn a little bit! My great x 8 grandparents left Westmeath County, Ireland, prior to 1760 (when my great x 7 grandfather was born in Virginia), so while my Irish blood is probably a little thin, there's still some in me!
Oh Greaaaat! I always wanted to learn this language! Thank you very much in advance!!
This is probably my favorite post about a new language for Duolingo. I assumed it was just another 'I want this language' but had to look at it when it received so many upvotes. Love the enthusiasm!
I want to learn a bit of Irish. My dad's ancestry comes from Portugal, and my mom's mostly from Northern Ireland and a bit from England. So Portuguese and Irish is just fun as something to study to connect with the languages my ancestors spoke.
Thanks for posting about Irish. I am really looking forward to being able to learn it on Duolingo. I suppose it will be necessary to create an "English from Irish" course before creating the "Irish from English" even though most Irish speakers already speak English (as far as I know).
That would be quite weird. :P Irish isn't like the other languages on here - it would be ridiculous for them to make an Irish > English course first.
Irish for polish speakers might work too- a lot of my friends in Ireland are Polish and would like to learn a bit of Irish. One of my friends was actually the only Irish boy in his class in primary school and speaks a lot of Polish now. Irish is one of few remaining Celtic languages- which at one time dominated Europe and so although it's language family is different a lot of words are similar. On top of which Irish is meant to be one of the oldest living European languages- along with basque, welsh and lithuanian. Just another great reason to learn it. An bhfuil tu abalta caint as Gailge?
The Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznań, Poland actually teaches Irish (and Celtic studies). Plus any Polish kids going through the Irish educational system will have to do Irish, so it will be good for both them and their parents if this course were to eventually be there. However I do not envision it appearing anytime soon.
As far as the Incubator lets us know, the English to Irish course can be made first without the reverse. And don't know any Irish people who speak Polish btw.
That would be great. Once I'm back home in Switzerland, I will be trying to convince some of my acquaintances to create a German->Romansh course (better would be English->Romansh, but it's gonna be hard to find people proficient in both). It would be quite stupid to have a Romansh->German course, as the situation of Romansh is pretty much the same as of Irish.
I think Romansh is a fascinating language- I have heard that it is the closest thing to Latin but has absorbed a large about of German vocabulary, please- forgive me if I am wrong.
I will some day- hopefully be a speaker!
I've heard the claim before as well, but I can't find any sources to it. Others say Sardinian is the closest, or Romanian. Romansh is pretty close to italian, but forms plurals with -s (like Spanish, Portuguese and French do), which was lost in Italian. And yes, there is a bunch of German loanwords as well, afaik. Personally, I don't speak it, but I wanna learn it, preferrably via Duo :)
I will start learning it directly, always wanted to grasp some celtic languages. I support you, giving you a lingot of course.
Wow! That's great! I am really looking forward to learning Irish, since I've lived for a while in Ireland and loved the language!
Yes, I expect a bit of a wit too, but as soon as it starts, I'll let you all know
I think they try to have at least two moderators, plus a few contributors for each course, so if you're the only qualified bilingual Irish-English person who has applied, you may be waiting quite a while, unfortunately.
There are 1.7 million people in Ireland who speak Irish, I think I'll find someone to apply too
I have a number of friends who are native, fluent or have a degree in Ulster Irish, which I've asked to apply. They seemed excited. Irish is on the up. Gaeilge Abu! My grandmother had to learn English when she moved from Cnoc Fola. So It never truly died. It didn't fully pass down because its worth was questioned. My parents can speak it but choose not too, they went to the Donegal Gaeltacht at summers. That ended with them. It's worth is still questioned even by people high up in the European Union. I can understand this question of worth, but I know that to learn this language like to learn any language is to gain a new perspective. To understand decisions made in the past so we may guide our present and future decisions. E.g Irish place names reveal secrets and long lost treasures we know nothing of because we are oblivious to the language. Lots of Irish history has been lost because it was passed down orally and by song, which happened to be in Irish. Oh Irish is valuable if not necessary. The benefits it brings are: economy through tourism, broadened perspective and for lads like me, a way to pick up a nice lil lady ;) Not to mention there is something lyrical/ poetic to the sound of it.
Those who question the worth of a language are those who have no passion for languages; they will never understand what is truly lost what a language dies, because they don't understand that a language is more than just a tool for communication. We who are passionate will keep the Celtic languages alive. :)
I forgot to say thanks to AlexinIreland, got caught up in a wee rant lol. Very excited that you've applied to the incubator! One small step in Duolingo, one big leap forward for Gaelige!
No there isn't. There are vague questions on the census that imply the number is that high. But that's like someone in USA who knows "Sayanara" being counted as "knowing Japanese".
YAY! I love Irish! I'm currently using another site to learn it but I will definitely use Duo when it comes to beta :)
I use memrise! ( http://www.memrise.com/courses/english/?q=irish ) I definitely recommend it, I think it's the best place to gain vocabulary. So once Duo sets up their course for Irish, Duo grammar & sentence structure + Memrise vocab = fun, easy & fast Irish language learning :)
My grandfather was from Mayo and my parents-in-law are from Donegal, so bring on the Irish course.
Good luck to you! I am overjoyed to hear this may be in the future of Duolingo. And thank you!
Haven't done it in over two years... I'd love to brush up! :D Ádh mór ort!
Great news! I hope my brain can handle German, Swedish, English, Russian, and Irish....
Good news. I am not of Irish heritage, but went to university in Coleraine NI and spent lots of time in the Gaelic area of Donegal. I love the sound of Gaelic when it is sung.
Great! Irish is one of my favorites too, I love the way it sounds and I thought it was relatively easy to learn when I was teaching myself. Thanks for the update, I can't wait to see it when it comes out! :)
I am a dual citizen of both the US and Ireland. I would love to try to learn some Irish for the next time I visit the Emerald Isle.
Oh, I could kiss you in a totally-platonic-non-lesbian way! I was just moping that Duolingo may not ever add Irish, and here you are :D My dream is to learn every language in my family's history (plus Spanish, because it seemed fun). Now I just have to wait for Navajo, Cherokee, Chaktah, Welsh, German, Irish and Scottish - since Duo already has French, and I already know English. Have ALL the lingots ^^
Thank you for all the enthusiasm. (German is already available btw, something to keep you busy before Irish comes out!)
Whoops! I knew that, but I worded my sentence wrong. ;p The excitement scrambled my brains.
nooooooooo im already learning 6 languages. now when this course comes out it will be 7
Mo chara, tá sé beo :) As an Irish man, I will definitely be on that list, thank you for adding it!
I can't wait for this. I have a lot of Irish blood in me and the hair to prove it. ;)
Love it. I'll be on this one as soon as it comes out. Let us know how we can help.
All you can do right now is keep me motivated! The more up votes this post gets, the more I know this is something worth doing!
I would very much like to see a minority language like Irish on Duolingo. It's on my hit list, just below Maltese and Welsh. I like minority languages.
By the way, who's giving out all those lingots???
Actually, to add to that, I think it is crucially important due to the criminal nature of how it is taught in Irish schools. It is so bad that after more than a decade of instruction in it, the majority of Irish people at worst, hate it and at best are indifferent. Few have more than a very basic command of it when they finish their secondary education.
I too am irish with 'cupla paisti sa scoile' and so would love to have irish here!
I tried learning Irish, was anything but easy. The pronunciation seems completely incongruous with the spelling.
And then this is where the Duolingo course will come in. We will do our best to introduce the language in simple bite sized pieces. When it comes to pronunciation, like any language, there are differences and exceptions that will become second nature after learning the language for some time
It's a very small alphabet, so some of the spellings of sounds get a bit convoluted.
Best of luck with it! I look forward to taking the course when it's ready.
I'm in as soon as Irish is ready! My family was from Cork, and I visited in 2012. I would love to return and be able to speak the language!
Oh yes! I love this language, I love it so much .... I waited long time to this... And its finally here I wish you guys the best and I hope many people will come to the incubator ,making the proccesses... Éire go bragh!
Irish is a language? I didn't know it was still around, I just thought that it was an accent. Very interesting!
Pretty much. The Gaelic languages were all at risk of dying out - hell, Manx did die out, but has been revived and is blossoming. Irish is the healthiest of the Gaelic languages, but it still needs much more cultivation. There are plenty of areas in Ireland where you'd be able to converse only in Irish though - I'm from one of those areas, out at the Donegal coast; Scottish Gaelic was hit much harder (those pesky English :P), but it clings on and is gaining ground slowly but surely in recent years. I hope to see Scotland and Ireland both more deeply embrace their heritage languages over the years.
Plus we all still have to study it in school! I would love to be fluent
@idshanks, you seem to be doing very well with the German. Try saying this Zungenbrecher 5 times fast: Der dicke Dachdecker deckte das dicke Dach. Dann trug der dicke Dachdecker, die dicke Dame durch den dicken Dreck. Dann dankte die dicke Dame dem dicken Dachdecker, dass der dicke Dachdecker die dicke Dame durch den dicken Dreck trug.
Or maybe this Irish one: Bhi an bhean bheag bhocht bhreoite bruite leis an bfuacht.
Or perhaps this Spanish one (last one, I promise!): ¡Ñoño Yáñez come ñame en las mañanas con el niño!
Sure, but in Scotland we overwhelmingly do think that; that's what I said. :P
Haha, that is an excellent phrase! I struggle with my German 'R', so that is the letter which trips me up the most! :'(
I need to actually learn Irish and Spanish orthography before I can try the others! But one day ;)
@StrapsOption - that we don't like them :P They are in power over Britain as a whole, and yet only one constituency in the entire country of Scotland voted for them; not the most popular. Their party is responsible for some of the most ruinous moments for Scotland's economy in the past few decades, so they are especially disliked amongst our populace.
@StrapsOption - sure, I'm not trying to make you agree, I'm just stating facts about my country. >_> Yeah, it's funny how the conversation got to here.
It's actually reviving, which is incredible! I have Irish roots, so it's a language that I really want to learn. Revival efforts like this one are amazing, especially after all of the effort that Britain put into stamping it out.
Well I'm American, so I know those brits can be pretty controlling (jk!:) I have actually never heard Irish spoken as a language.
It's has so many English phonemes that I think, "I should understand this," but it's so far from English in reality. It's beautiful and I really want to learn it. I've got too much on my plate right now to dive in, though. :/
While learning any language can be fun anyway, you can speak Irish anywhere in Ireland or within international Irish communities and it would be greatly appreciated, it is also a great way to learn about Irish history and culture.
Two of my top languages are also quite impractical (Maltese and Welsh), but as Puddleglum says, languages can be just for fun.
I just like learning for learning's sake. Practicality isn't the biggest issue to me. Languages are just fun.
The English did bring many great things to other countries (like the language, which is very important), but I am excited to learn Irish.
I've recently been noticing a lot of Irish words that are Latin languages. For example, write= scríobh / tie (the one you wear)= carbhat. Scríobh sounds like escribo, and carbhat sounds like corbata. Just thought it was interesting.
At one stage the Celtic languages dominated Europe and they are both Indo European languages- it is only natural that they should share some similarities :)
The word for tie is actually croatian, and means croatian too! Croats introduced this new trend to Paris, hence the french cravatte. The word for writing, comes from latin, as you suggest, and has spread to a number of european languages, presumably at a time when all writing was done in latin anyway
Croaticus,Croatia, latin word for "Hrvat (Horvat), Hrvatska" which is how we call ourselves.
It'd be great to have Irish, and probably Welsh too, I really want to learn them.
There are not enough words in the English language to describe how excited I am for this. Therefore, clearly, I will need a new language to help, and I think I know just the one :D!
:D All the more exciting! Now I understand that Irish is a form of Gaelic, is that correct? Are there different dialects depending on the region of Ireland (I know Ireland isn't a huge country but I am still really curious)? Is there a particular dialect you wanted to set up in Duoling or am I just way off with what I understand about Irish? Regardless I am still very very excited!
Well Irish is a Goidelic Language so it is related to Scottish Gaelic and Manx but it is it's own language (as opposed to a form of Gaelic) In terms of dialects, there are three main dialects: Munster Irish (Mainly spoken in the South of Ireland), Connacht Irish (Mainly spoken in the West of Ireland) and Ulster Irish (Mainly spoken in the North of Ireland) I will do my best to incorporate all dialects as the main differences are in slang and pronunciation rather than standard grammar and vocabulary (though there are slight differences there, too) So it wouldn't be too difficult to set up in all 3 dialects.
HI Alex, Ive been learning Munster Irish for over a year. Id actually say that the vocabulary etc can be very different , take the Verb Bí, instead of Bhí mé, bhí tú etc, you have is do Bhíos, do bhís, do bhí sé/sí, do bhíomair, do bhíobhair, do bhíodar. Or instead of Nach , ná is used and doesn't cause mutation to the following verb, etc. etc. I would love to see different dialect versions but not sure if your allowed/able to do that?
Yes, I understand those differences, though they are more conversational rather than "textbook". I am not sure how/if dialects can be incorporated, especially considering it hasn't been done before (eg. German is mostly "Germany German", Dutch will be mostly"Netherlands Dutch", etc.).
The dialectal variations are incorporated as alternative answers; while the courses teach some form of standard, you'll find that regional phrasings are often accepted - and if not, can be incorporated via user report. I've heard it said that many of the more complex phrases in Duolingo can reach the hundreds of possible variations, which is a notable part of the complexity of developing courses.
Irish is one of the Gaelic (Goidelic) languages, along with Scottish Gaelic and Manx (language of the Isle of Mann). It is one branch of the Celtic language family, with the other being Brythonic (Welsh, Cornish, and Breton). There are three main dialects of Irish as well as a standard variant (everyone generally speaks in dialect - my mum, who is a native speaker, refers to standard Irish as 'book Irish', but says that even in written form dialect is usually used). The dialects are mutually intelligible, but have distinct pronunciations, vocabulary, and even, I believe, grammar features.
In my view, an Irish course would need to address the three dialects on some level. From what alexinIreland has said to me, he hopes to have contributors from the various dialects. :)
P.S. If alexinIreland contradicts me, listen to him - after all, he'll know best. :P
I like the Gaelic language because of how beautiful it sounds and want to learn it just out of love for it (am probably the only one here who just wants to become acquainted with it; in spite of not being of Irish, Scottish or English descent or a resident there). :P It seems quite difficult to learn - a daunting task but I intend to see it through. All hands on board, and kudos to alexinIreland. Great initiative!!! I can't wait... :)
I play celtic fiddle styles, so I'm definitely interested. Though I have no Irish ancestry myself, it would be fun to learn some of the language basics.
It would be awesome! Just a few months ago I went to Ireland (for the first time, and hopefully not the last) and I thought about how great would be to learn Irish, but I'm from Spain and there aren't many options here, as you can imagine... Go for it, I'd totally take the course
So glad I clicked the discussion tab and saw this post! Love the Irish language and have tried to learn a little recently (just a few phrases so far). Would love to learn via Duolingo, and am very happy you plan to incorporate the dialects. Go raibh maith agat!
This is fantastic news, go raibh maith agat. I've tried to learn Irish for years, but I am really hopeful about the Duolingo method. Best of luck!
I would love to be able to learn Irish! Here's hoping Duolingo can make it happen
that is great!!!!!!!!!!!! I would love to learn irish because right now i am only doing spanish
I am irish and would love to learn this langauge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't usually comment in the discussion boards, but I had to show my support for Irish.
I'm so excited, thanks for working on this! It's really hard to learn Irish where I live, not a lot of access. How cool.
Hope it goes through. I know nothing about Irish except that it's fun to listen to. May the luck be with you! : )
Yeah. Same here! I got interested in the language through Celtic music and other media. Really hope they can get the course up and running soon!!
Does the word "Draeden" exist in Irish or any other Celtic language? If so, what does it mean?
Wow nice, I did not know there was a different in writing! Looking forward to this!
I agree it would be awesome if there was an Irish course. It's such a beautiful language.
I wish I could speak Irish!! My dad's family are Irish so maybe they can teach me!!! :)
YES!!! Oh boy, I better finish my German tree so I can start on Irish when it's ready. I'm nearly 1/3 Irish, and I feel obligated to learn the language of my ancestors. Good luck with the course! :D
I would love this! I actually have found tapes and dictionaries at secondhand stores and online to try to self-teach in the past, as I have thought learning Irish Gaelic would be fun and part of my history etc (I am American of mixed but largely Irish and Welsh ancestry). I actually found out about Duolingo because with the new year, Rosetta Stone was having a sale and I found they had an Irish version so I vacillated but decided it might be worth coming up with the money and ordered that but while waiting for it to arrive, I found discussion about Duolingo and came over to check it out. I started the French lesson on Duolingo while waiting for my other course to come in, and though I since received and started it, I keep up with these lessons far more. I have more interest in the Irish language, but the interface and format is more interesting and flexible in Duolingo. I would love this!
I think this is a great idea. I was pleased to find Duolingo to hone my Spanish and plan to use it for other languages as well. Irish is close to my heart and is at the top of my list.
I am ethnically Scots-Irish, but since my family has been in the Appalachian region of North Carolina since the first half of the 19th century, we've lost touch with our roots.
This makes me very happy. After 8 generations, I can be the one that goes back :D
Fantastic! I only managed to pick up a bit of the pronunciation before I got bogged down (helps when reading myths to know how the heck to say those names). I would love to see this on Duolingo. :D
Ta suil agam go n-eirionn leat. Bron orm ach nil a fhios agam conas fada a aimsiu ar an riomahire seo. Bhi Gaeilge cuiosach maith agam trath ach tar eis 20+ bliain im conai i Sasna ni fhaighim moran seans i a labhairt. Beir Bua
I wish you the best of luck with this!! I've been waiting for someone to incubate this for a while.. Keep us posted! It'd be good if people actually understood Amhrán na bhFiann when singing it eh! Irish has been known for its dreary lessons at school so I agree that a duolingo course would make it more exciting and fun and to try and bring the number of speakers back up! I hate it when people call it a 'dying language'! Sláinte
Go raibh maith agat! I'll do my best to keep ye all posted. Beir bua agus beannacht
Please vote for Irish in the /r/duolingo survey https://www.surveyplanet.com/survey/61a9b5a9475c48f2062d3a76507a137a
Awesome- just wondering when or how do we see the results of the survey?
Thanks so much for putting this up, so hard to pick between Irish and Latin but Irish won out in the end :)
You should put this link in another discussion so that more people can see it
What I want to know is, why has Irish suddenly become so popular when there have been Irish discussions before?!
I may be mistaken, but I think this discussion is the first discussion to talk about actually making an Irish course, rather than saying "I want this language" hence the popularity
The start if a great movement- best day of the week- cannot wait to tell all my Irish teachers about this!
We were having a raging, vicious, all-out, completely friendly debate!!! (:
Come on, more people up this conversation, we'll get to the top over Duolingo Languages as of February 7, 2014., which is, all credit to it, a great discussion.
Hi everyone I am sending emails to everyone!!! Trying to rally up support for this discussion and the Irish language.
please everybody join in and spread the word on behalf of duolingo and the Irish language!
Go raibh maith agat :) All support is greatly appreciated. Níor bhris focal maith fiacail riamh!
I really want to learn Irish and will all I can to support this cause- although I cannot apply myself I will encourage as many as possible!
Up the Irish!
Just keep sending this notice about to other duolingo users
Here everybody, a course for Irish is coming to duolingo- the best website for actually learning a language. Bring that moment closer by sharing this notice and upping the comments.
Why learn Irish? https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1760754
The more people up, the quicker it will make an appearance of duo!
Please support mo chairde!
Yay! I have always wanted to learn Irish- and I only know a few spoken phrases. I can't wait to get started!!
I have some Irish in me I think from my great grandfathers great grandparents. I'll have to ask. My great grand father is still alive and he is going to be 95 this year. And he still has a huge huge huge farm. Anyway learning Irish sounds fun!
No promise that I will take the course immediately (still so much to learn in German) but I certainly welcome its inclusion in Duolingo. After having been recognised as an official language of the European Union, this is yet another serious boost for Irish.
Is there generally a long delay between the availability of the course and the availability of Immersion?
Unfortunately, I don't have a definite answer but I'll let you know when I do.
This would be so cool to learn! I am a quarter Irish and have always been interested in my heritage!
This language is the tongue of my ancestors. On 23rd of April 2014 marks the anniversary of The Battle of Clontarf where High King Brian Boru beat the Vikings to become king of all Ireland. Please voe
This is an unbelievable game-changer, and I'm thrilled to hear that we'll soon be able to fully commit to an Irish course here!
I have Irish, two native American, and some more but my mom is still working on our family tree. And no telling what's on my dad's side of the family. Yeah I'm a mix :P So learning Irish would be awesome!
--- IRISH ---
Ceist beag amháin. Céard a dúirt siad leat go díreach? Tá an chosúlacht air go bhfuil tú an-chinnte ach bhí iontas orm gur dúradh leat go raibh sé ar intinn acú é a fhorbairt go luath
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One little question. What did they say to you exactly? You seem very sure, but I was surprised that you were told it would be developed soon.
Tá súil agam go dtarlaíonn sé seo go luath. Bheadh sé ina ais iontach don teanga. Is í an Ghaeilge an t-aon teanga mhionlach ar teanga oifigiúil na hEorpa í agus is í an t-aon teanga Cheilteach a úsáidtear do ghnó oifigiúil. Ba cheart go mbeadh áis foghlamtha idilín mar Duolingo ar fáil chun an teanga a fhoghlaim.
I hope this happens soon. It would be a brilliant resource for the language. Irish is the only minority language that is an official language of Europe and it is the only Celtic language that is used for official business. There should be an on-line resource like Duolingo available to learn the language.
I identify as Australian-Irish, and I'd absolutely love to learn the language of the Emerald Isle, regardless of how little it is spoken. Looking forward to this course!
Check out the Gaelige Newspaper in Australia called 'An Lúibín'. Its online and its based in Australia by Colin Ryan. Its really cool :)
Cool, thanks. For those interested, here's the link: http://www.gaeilgesanastrail.com/newsletter-en.php
This is amazing! I'm so glad you decided to pursue this! I'm not Irish (or even European), but ever since I heard an Irish band perform a song in Irish, I've wanted to have a look at learning Irish! Glad to see its nearly completed!
I really really hate irish, but I have absolutely nothing against people learning it if they wish or even a duolingo irish course- If duolingo had irish when I was in school I bet I would have gotten better than a pass "c". My teachers completely ignored us in school and I had no idea how to self teach. Good luck!
I heard the same thing from my mum - she speaks Irish natively, but she said that anyone who wasn't raised speaking it ended up hating it because it was taught like a first language rather than a second language, and so they were expected to simply pick up the fundamentals through exposure rather than understanding. It sounds like they need to rethink how they teach it; maybe that's part of the problem.
It appears as if what you really, really hate is not Irish, but the Irish lessons you had, and you closely associate one with the other. Perhaps a Duolingo course would be exactly the right thing to rediscover the language in a more fun way and disassociate it from those lessons?
I have to say, I can understand his sentiment. French is a mandatory language in many Scottish schools, and I absolutely hated the lessons. From that experience, I went on believing that I not only hated French, but that I hated languages in general. Now I absolutely love languages, but it demonstrates just how detrimental mandatory language education can be if executed poorly. I think there is a place for mandatory language education, but I personally I think it belongs at a younger age (this was something you started at about 11 years old), and needs to be very carefully constructed.
Pretty much word for word my opinions on language learning in schools. My school killed my desire to learn languages, it was only over a decade after I quit learning French in school that I started to gain an interest in languages again. That said, the horrors of school still make French hard to be enthusiastic about studying...
I loved French in high school (1950's); it was one of the 3 subjects I really applied myself to. I couldn't understand why I did so poorly as an undergraduate. FINALLY I realized the professor's teaching style & textbook were diametrically opposed to my learning style! Even though his approach was a natural one (talk; eventually you will figure out the logic of French; it will become part of you), I learned by memorizing rules (of grammar, pronunciation; syntax) and applied them. Same way I learned spelling and (American) Grammar. A long time after I figured this out, professional educators and researchers published articles on 'learning styles'. My theory was supported by research! Add to that a more-than-moderate hearing disability & we have a recipe for disaster! You don't necessarily have issues that I had, but there may have been some kind of disjoint in your language study as well. Amazing what we figure out ao many years after the fact.
Actually, maybe when i'm done with the german I'll go back on it! I do love languages and the ability to communicate in so many different ways, and I agree whole-heartedly that the education system around irish is completely broken.
My Step-sisters husband is from the Basque country and they have a very similar history but they don't fail in keeping their language alive despite being even smaller and worse off than ireland. He pointed out all the differences and the reasons that the way irish is thought is completely ridiculous.
This course has been at '99%' for weeks! What is the deal? Have things not been progressing as planned? Or was progress overrated all those weeks ago? Please excuse my frustration; I just could not be more excited to start this course.
I've been wondering the same! It was supposed to be ready the day after I left on a six week trip. Now I've been home a week and was excited about revising my Irish, only to find it's still not ready! Madness. I'd love to know what's holding it up.
Team Irish was having some issue with their Text-to-Speech (TTS) software and had to look into other options, which has caused some delays, but it sounds like that may have been partially resolved. AlexinIreland, one of the primary contributors for the upcoming Irish course, has been really good about posting updates under DuoLingo's incubator section: http://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/ga/en/status
Surprisingly easy to learn? Now that's sugar coating it. Irish is a very complex language to learn. I'm Irish myself and I support the use of the language but to say it's easy to learn, you must be having a laugh. It's a difficult language to learn but it's say it's worth it.
I think your opinion of the language might be coloured by the terrible method of teaching it.
Not saying it's easy, but it's not the worst either.
So Irish and Welsh, how similar are they, both being Celtic right? I always imagined it being like German and Dutch, is there much a difference or is it the same basic language?
To someone that speaks neither they might sound vaguely similar, but they are very different.
I am a native Irish speaker and I watched a Welsh soap while bored in a hotel room one night in Cardiff, Wales. I didn't understand a word.
Well it's worth noting that languages can be quite similar without being at all mutually intelligible. Outwith their own respective branches of Celtic languages, Welsh & Irish come closer to each other than to the other languages in the world. Doesn't mean you're going to understand any without learning it though!
Not knowing any Welsh, I can only speculate, but imagine written Welsh might not be so alien to me if how different sounds are represented didn't differ so much between the two languages.
They're very similar and closely related languages in the grand scheme of things, but they're still distinct and not mutually intelligible.
I WOULD TAKE IT WITH ALL MY ENTHUSIASM! I love Irish. I would be so excited to learn it.
Surprised and delighted to hear about this! Irish is a dying language and being added to a site like this will be a fantastic boost. I look forward to brushing up on my Irish grammar and will definitely get my younger siblings who are still in school to use it as a study aid.
I'm so excited for this to come out. Does anyone know approximately when it will? Just curious. thanks.
Nope. It will be in beta in the near future, but at the moment, no one can say precisely when.
I've been counting down the days till Irish would be available! First thing I did yesterday was check DuoLingo. Either I'm looking at the calendar wrong, or it's past the estimated launch date. I really can't wait for this to happen! Will there be an updated countdown so I can put something on my calendar?
The countdown is automated, driven by an algorithm. They are working to get everything perfect for the beta, because much of it can't be changed afterwards. Stuff like, the sections and items within them.
99% of the material might have been entered, but they have to go through everything to look for errors and make sure everything is put together the right way.
They are volunteers that are giving up a lot of time to make this course.
I'm sure it will be done soon, but the progress bar is no longer useful to measure how far along they are.
I'm so pleased with everything DuoLingo has done, I want to help build a language and assist the volunteers- alas, the hands on approach seems better suited to people who know a second language and truly can help with it.
I read your comment a couple of times until I realised what you meant.
Yeah, the people making the courses really need to be fluent in both the base and target language. No way around that.
It doesn't mean you can't help though. When Irish goes into beta, people of all levels will be needed to test it. I'm fluent, brought up with it, but I will still do the course, in order to help the guys iron out all the bugs.
People with no Irish at all will be just as helpful. Actually scratch that, novices will be far more help than I will.
I would be happy to write to whomever necessary to assist in Beta or any other stage.
Was my meaning hard to understand because it seemed to be a non sequitur? I can clarify: I have no complaints towards DuoLingo. I may appear impatient, but I am in truth only excited because I have great appreciation for the effort DuoLingo puts into their language programs.
Don't worry, you won't need to write to anyone. The beta will be open to all who wish to partake.
Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know much/most of it could not be changed after publishing.
I don't pretend to know much about it, but they have said that the structure of it has to be right, as that can't be changed. Sounds like one of the simpler parts, but if you see how many sections that existing languages have on Duolingo, you get an idea how complicated just that part is. Irish probably has a lot of quirks too that don't fit into the templates of previous languages.
This is a link to an Irish language synthesizer from Trinity College Dublin The University of Dublin Phonetics and Speech Laboratory. It has both Gweedore (almost the same as Ulster) and Connemara (similar/a type of Connacht) dialects to choose from. Sorry to Munster fans! here is the link: http://www.abair.tcd.ie/
I applied for the course and never got an email back I am second year higher level irish I also left you a lingot to make sure you come through for me ;)
I'm a native speaker and I wouldn't be good enough to help put the course together.
Someone who is learning themselves probably shouldn't be building the course. When it hits beta, lots of people like you and I will be needed to improve the foundations of the course before it can be deemed "stable" for release.
this is fantastic i live in germany now and wanted to improve my irish which has totally fizzled out since leaving cert! but i had no way of doing it now that i am away from ireland.. I'd love and irish duo lingo! :D
I have just started learning Irish (I did learn it for 13 years at school!) Fortunately I do recall some of it and as you say tír gan teanga, tír gan anam but it is not an easy language to learn compared to French and Spanish. For a complete beginner I don't l know how they would manage or follow the gist of it on duolingo! Gemma
I started learning Irish 6 years ago. I saw a need to promote the Irish language. I have 44,000 followers at www.facebook.com/irishlanguagelearners and I wish that some of the 3 million signed up for Irish on Duolingo could be made aware of my efforts and 4 years of posts from me and my team.
At first, I didn’t understand anything at all. But now I am fluent in all of the basics and phrases! As someone Japanese, Irish, and Scottish, I am proud to be learning on Duolingo. Go raibh maith agat! Slan!