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How to pronounce γ?

I see that it's apparently pronounced like a w but It sounds more like χ (ç) to me. Can someone explain how to make this sound?

September 2, 2016

23 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/afittro

Γ-γ (gamma) is normally pronounced as a soft G, sort of like 'Gh'. Try to start the sounding of a normal American English 'G' but don't quite close your throat/palate with the back of your tongue. However, I've been taught that before both long and short 'E' sounds, it changes to a 'Y' sound from English. So, γυναίκα (woman) is phonetically this (using English sounds): yee-NECK-uh. That is because the υ is pronounced as our English long-E sound (mEEt). So anything that would be our long-E or short-E after a gamma makes it an English 'Y' sound (as in Yellow).

So γ followed by η, υ, οι, αι, ε, ι, ει (and maybe more) is a 'Y' sound, as described above. For all the rest, it's a 'soft gh' sound, formed as described above.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Acrosoph

Nice work with this description. :)

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/afittro

Ευχαριστώ!

September 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Elenaki.a

This is a really good explanation. Here, take a lingot.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/afittro

Ευχαριστώ!

September 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Osnakezz

Isn't the gamma produced with a ch-sound, like in the Scottish 'loch', but harder and with a slightly more 'gliding' tone? As a Dutch speaker, for me it's no problem pronunciating it, but I could imagine it is a bit harder for people that don't have that sound in their native language.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike

According to every source I can find, it is supposed to be /ɣ/, which is the voiced version of /χ/, or /ʝ/ before front vowels. Either there is a secret conspiracy of Greeks using /w/ when no linguists are listening, or whoever wrote the tips page that says 'ɣ like Woman' must have a very strange way of pronouncing the word 'woman'.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Acrosoph

Haha to secret conspiracy. It is definitely NOT pronounced like woman - I suspect this may be an error in the tips because of the equivalent word in Greek "γυναίκα". I will request that this be changed. Either way, the audio is good / accurate in my opinion so possibly repeating that would be helpful.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

I think it's due to the Greeks pronouncing "woman" as γούμαν (and "Washington" as Γουάσιγκτον and son on).

So they're projecting their non-native pronunciation of English /w/ onto their native gamma :)

September 4, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/JackyDW

Nowadays, "γ" is pronounced like a long version of the English "G," but without the tongue pressing on the palate.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Windrammer

Like Russian /x/ but voiced.

September 5, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Hypatiaserena

Have you ever heard of Manu Chao's song 'Me gustas tú'? This is exactly how gamma sounds before /u/, /a/, and /o/ sounds: like the /g/ in 'gustas' as pronounced by Manu!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMHdnpNisew

At the same time, before /i/ sounds, it sounds like /yi/ (e.g. 'yin'), and before /e/ sounds, like /ye/ (e.g. 'yellow').

I hope this is helpful!

October 25, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/kirakrakra

Γ, γ is pronounced like Y in YES before a Greek ε-sound: ε, αι OR before a Greek ι-sound: ι, η, υ, ει, οι

otherwise like the French R

listen to Γ in εγώ https://el.forvo.com/search/%ce%b5%ce%b3%cf%8e/

and the French R in erreur https://el.forvo.com/search/erreur/

Finally the pronounciation of Γ has very little to do with the English W. Greeks explain how w is pronounced transcribing W as "ΓΟΥ" (Γουντ/ Wood)

January 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/panagiotis_ts

"Γ" is pronounced like "w" in "window".

However, it is pronounced as "y" in "yard" when it stands before "ε", "η", "ι" and "υ".

Note that "γκ" and "γγ" are pronounced like "g" in "garden".

I hope that this helps. :-)

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MouPeMantissa

Is that a Northern Greek thing, pronouncing 'Γ' as 'w'? I've never actually been to Northern Greece, and I generally pronounce Γ like the Dutch g, like in 'αυγά'. That's sort of strange to hear.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/panagiotis_ts

I usually pronounce "g" in Dutch like the Greek "χ" (or a very soft German "ch").

I haven't been many times to southern Greece, but in Thessaloniki (where I live), we always pronounce it as "w" in "woman". :-)

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MouPeMantissa

That's really weird. Awori, auwo.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Hypatiaserena

No, it's not pronounced /awori/! I think that we Greeks tend to forget that the /w/ sound contains a slight /u/ in it, as in the word 'window'. The gamma, however, does not.

October 25, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Elenaki.a

I'm going to disagree with you here. I wouldn't describe it as a 'w' at all, but like AminataV, I've never been to northern Greece, so it might be different up there. The English equivalent is more a soft 'g' or a 'y'. Although, I can't remember noticing that anyone from the north pronounces it like a 'w' either.

September 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/KatharinaM882088

My mother tongue is German. For me the Greek Γ is maybe the most difficult letter to pronounce. Not the "γ" in words like γιαγιά, but the "γ" for example in γάλα. It's a phone we don't have in German. A bit like our "g", but much softer.

February 22, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/Hypatiaserena

In cases like "γάλα", it's more or less pronounced like the German "r" the way it is pronounced in Northern Germany -- think of the word "raten", or "retten" (or think of the French "r" in words like "rapport" and "regarder").

February 23, 2017

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    It's a voiced version of the gh in "ugh".

    It's my favorite phone <3

    April 14, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/Nameless-Learner

    i actually did it thanks so mch bro!:)

    June 23, 2017
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