"Az orosz férfi odasiet a hideg vízhez és beugrik a vízbe."

Translation:The Russian man hurries to the cold water and jumps into the water.

September 4, 2016

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The natural English would be better represented to me by saying hurrying over to the cold water if the preverb oda is used. I don't understand the inconsistency in the translations.


hurries there to the cold water was rejected. what is the point of having odasiet then. Why not just siet a hideg vizhez. I thought that oda was emphasizing the fact that the water was not just right here.


Note that some of these sentences have already been corrected to have a more natural English translation. Other than that, "oda" is emphasizing that the man actually arrives at the water, not just walking toward it. It gives the verb a sense of completeness.


Out of curiosity: Would it be possible to get the same meaning without the "a vízbe?" As in "The Russian man hurries to the cold water and jumps in?" Or would "Az orosz férfi odasiet a hideg vízbe és beugrik" make no sense in Hungarian?


It is possible, of course.
But I think I would rather say "... és beleugrik", which is closer to "and jumps into it". But this may be just personal preference. But, also, "beugrik" can have some hidden idiomatic meanings that may cause a minor confusion when you don't add "a vízbe". So, "beleugrik" is a tiny bit more clear.


why dont we say just siet?


Just "siet" lacks that sense of completeness that the man actually arrives at the water. "Odasiet" gives us that satisfaction. The man hurries and ends up being at the water. So now he can jump in. Many of these preverbs serve the purpose of giving the verb a sense of completeness. Of making it a completed action.


I think I now understand the difference between the "direction" and the "completeness" (or not). Preverbs indicate completeness of a certain action in a given direction, while the direction itself is on the suffix.


Well, partly, because many of the preverbs also indicate direction. For example:

"felmászik a fára" - climbs up onto the tree

The preverb "fel" is "up", and the suffix "-ra" is "onto".

How about we say the preverb indicates the direction and completeness, and the suffix indicates the destination? That is also not perfect, but maybe close to the truth.

These are directional preverbs: le-, be-, ki-, fel-, el-, át-, rá-, ide-, oda-.

But some of these can also be absolutely non-directional.

And there are ones that have nothing to do with direction, their main purpose is to show completeness. The best example is "meg-". It has no actual meaning that I can think of. Yet it is a very common preverb.


How can someone jump in the water if he has not arrived there yet. So it is obvious that he arrives at the waterside. As you explain it i would translate it as. The man hurries to the waterside and on arrival he jumps into the water


Yes, language can state the obvious sometimes. You can also say "I go into the house and look out the window" when it is obvious that you can't look out the window from outside the house.

But "siet a vízhez" gives the sense of "is hurrying to the water", ie. that it is in progress. So, how can he jump into the water when he is still on his way to the water?

But you can say "a vízhez siet" and you will be fine.

See, this "perfective aspect" is not about things that already happened. No. It is simply looking at the whole, complete, action, whether in the past, present or future. The sentence above describes twoof these complete actions: the man walking over to the water and the man jumping into the water. That is all. And the means of achieving this is using a preverb, usually. The "arrival" is coded in the perfective aspect of "odasiet".

You have to give your mind some time to wrap itself around this phenomenon. English does not really have this (or only to a lesser degree), so it can surely be totally weird and seemingly pointless. And it may continue to feel weird long after you accept and understand it. But then, one day, it will totally make sense.


---------- i want to say, "the russian man hurries over to the cold water and jumps in... " . . .

Big 13 mar 19


duo just accepted: the russian man hurries over to the cold water and jumps in

Big 13 mar 19

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