Question with Vorschlagen!
So I was making my native German speaker say some random sentences while observing word order and such when this problem arose:
The sentence was,
"I suggest we take the motorcycle to the store at eight."
And she said without thinking:
"Ich schlage vor wir fahren um acht mit dem Motorrad zum Laden."
I purposely chose the separable verb "vorschlagen" to see if she would remember to put the vor at the very end as I thought this was a firm grammatical rule. She shut down my scheme and just said "ich schlage vor...(rest)" She broke the rules! :0
So I just figured you could put the separable prefix next to the verb when the sentence is longer. Until I gave her another one that she couldn't explain.
"We are picking up my daughter from the train station at eight with the car."
"Wir holen meine Tochter um acht mit dem Auto am Bahnhof ab."
This time she kept ab waaaay at the end.
I then broke it down to smaller sentences to further study this vorschlage conundrum.
"I suggest it" she said "Ich schlage es vor" Just as I suspected she would.
"I suggest it to him" she said "ich schlage es ihm vor" Just as I suspected.
Is there just some subtle difference between the constructions of vorschlagen and abholen? Is she just wrong/use to being lazy or what's going on here? Vielen Dank!
There should be a comma after "Ich schlage vor, ...".
It's an entire clause, and the "vor" is at the end of the clause.
If you had used a noun rather than a clause, then "vor" would have gone to the end: Ich schlage ein um-acht-Uhr-mit-dem-Motorrad-zum-Laden-Fahren vor "I suggest a driving to the shop at eight with the motorbike".
I have a question. Do Germans have a short pause after saying the ordinative sentence when a comma is put? Or they just ignore the usage of the comma and just say it without a pause ?
"Ich schlage vor, wir fahren um acht mit dem Motorrad zum Laden."
You missed a comma there. The "vor" is at the end of the main clause. It just happens to be next to the "schlage" because this main clause is so short.
If you make the main clause longer by adding an object or adverb, the "vor" will remain at the end of the main clause while other words will be squeezed in between "schlage" and "vor".
Example: Ich schlage meinem Mann vor, wir fahren um acht mit dem Motorrad zum Laden. / Ich schlage meinem Mann vor, dass wir um acht mit dem Motorrad zum Laden fahren. / Ich schlage meinem Mann vor, um acht mit dem Motorrad zum Laden zu fahren.