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My thoughts on the Hungarian course as a Hungarian speaker

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Hello! I am a native Hungarian and I learned English in school. I wanted to try this course, to see what it feels like to learn Hungarian as a foreigner.

  1. I thought, since I speak both Hungarian and English, this course would be easy. „English for Hungarian speakers” was easy for me, but this one...not at all. I got angry many times, because in this course, you have to speak Doulingo-Hungarian and Doulingo-English to get your answers accepted. I hope this will get better as they add alternative translations.

  2. Sometimes I learned new English grammar material. English uses „Who is going” (singular conjugation) even if the Hungarian is „Kik mennek” (plural). Thanks david.altmayer for pointing that out!

  3. I got to feel the difference between being a native speaker of a language or speaking it as L2. A native speaker says: I know this sentence is correct / incorrect beacause it sounds right/ wrong to my ears, but I cannot explain the grammar behind it. A L2 speaker says: I learned the grammar, I know this sentence is grammaticaly correct, but I am not sure if it sounds right.

  4. There are a lot of debates under the sentences. As I see, the Hungarian team had the following goals:

a. the Hungarian sentence should be grammatically correct

b. The English sentence should be grammatically correct

c. The translation should convey the meaning

d. None of the sentences should be twisted out

I would set a+b as a basic expectation, but doing c+d correctly is really hard. (No wonder it took 2 years to make the course.) There are subtle differences in meaning in Hungarian based on word order, preverbs, and all those suffixes (cases) –ba-be- hoz-hez-höz-ra-re-on-ön. On the other side, English expresses subtle differences by using present simple /continuous/ perfect, while we have 3 tenses (present, past, future) and that’s all.

  1. By the way, I only found out Hungarian has 18 cases while doing Doulingo. In school we learn that there are the suffixes (in Hungarian „rag, ragok”) which modify the meaning, like English does with prepositions. I had a hard time learning the 4 cases in German. (Well, actually Hungarian helps here: should I use accusative or dative in German? what would I say in Hungarian? engem (mich, me) or nekem (mir, to me) then bring the chosen one back to German. works 90% of the time) In my opinion, accusative case is a legitimate and important one (it even exists in Esperanto), the others are just suffixes :P

Oh, and I forgot: Thank you, course creators! Even if there are grammar mistakes and way too many flying kindergarden teachers, you did a great job! :)

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/alHadzya
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You're absolutely right.

Heres a link to a similar take, albeit less detailed, I took not that long ago. There are some really great responses: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/17398096

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ColonelCrock

Én tanulok magyarul két évig. Élek Írországban úgy nehéz megtalálni egy tanárt.

Duolingo nagyon hasznos felülvizsgálatára. Nagyon köszönöm!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells
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Thank you for this post. I speak Hungarian, and have spoken it at home my whole life but I live and grew up in Canada and went to English speaking schools. I cannot read or write in Hungarian. I did a few lessons in the Hungarian course before deciding I would rather practice my reading through childrens books with the help of my dad (I realize not everyone has this resource) was a better option for me right now to practice/ become more literate in Hungarian. I only did a few lessons of the course, from what I saw I agree completely with everything in your post. (Especially 1 and 3). Thanks for the great and informative summary!

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zsuzsi97194

Hi MissSpells, I am sort of in the same boat. I spent my elementary and early high school years in Montreal before moving to the U.S. (Too bad, now - it's not a joke. I feel as if my parents brought me here against my will - 1959 - and I'd like to ask Canada to take me back!)

So, I didn't really read and write either although I spoke a rather childish Hungarian, not having an adult vocabulary for relationships, for business, for philosophy etc.

When I found DUO I focused on learning the alphabet on YouTube and because Hungarian is really easy to write once one knows the sounds I was able to write what I heard pretty well. Reading is harder because long words need to be divided into sections in order to be able to pronounce them with the accents on the correct syllables.

Today my two biggest problems are still word order (It is hard to give up the English and French SVO forms) and vocabulary. I speak quite fluently but not always correctly. And I search for words to say adult concepts. Do you know a book for learning more difficult words in Hungarian? In high school we had word building books but so far I haven't been able to find anything similar.

All the best, one of the many Zsusis here

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hubinou
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I found on Amazon a series of 8 small books, about 200 pages each, with a collection of short stories and topics :

  • Simple hungarian, conversational topics, by Alexander Pavlenko
  • Simple hungarian, short stories, by Alexander Pavlenko

They go from "beginner" to "upper intermediate". Very well done.

3 months ago
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