"Όχι, όχι αυτούς τους άντρες."
Translation:No, not these men.
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You can say όχι αυτοί οι άντρες (and it is an accepted answer/if it was not accepted for you, please let us know) if you answer to a question that used "these men" in nominative (usually as a subject of the sentence):
-Αυτοί είναι οι άντρες για τους οποίους μου μίλησες; (are these the men that you talked to me about?) -Όχι, όχι αυτοί οι άντρες.
But if the question used "these men" in accusative, you have to answer in accusative (usually as an object of the sentence):
-Αυτούς τους άντρες ψάχνεις; (Are you looking for these men?) -Όχι, όχι αυτούς τους άντρες.
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why do we have to use a double "these" in this?
αυτούς και τους
would it be wrong without τους?
Hmm, well, I (and, based on the comments, others as well) seem to have had similar experiences with other questions too. I am at a loss as well- I suppose there are just some glitches. Anyway, I really only care to know that I am understanding what I do correctly and incorrectly so that I learn well, so don't stress about it.
Re: nominative vs. accusative, this sentence is almost a fragment (although here it's a complete answer to a question.) It depends on what the question was: "Did these men kill our goats?" The answer would be in nominative because "these men" is the subject of the sentence. "Which men will we draft into the army?" would have the accusative answer, since "men" is the object (we will draft men.)
You can't always tell which will be the correct answer. However, I like Duolingo's use of fragments, since sometimes we learn to speak in segments. And the ambiguity makes us pay attention to the difference between nominative and accusative. (It's kind of fun to make up sentences to fit.)
No. Άνδρες is the older form; formal language used mainly in written speech. If you do pronounce it however, it sounds much softer than άντρες and in oral speech it might even be humorous for "effeminate men," especially if you wink when you say it. (th δ sounds softer than d ντ) Ηope I helped a bit. :)
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It cannot be correct: ο άντρας/άντρας (sing., nom.), οι άνδρες/άντρες (pl., nom.) is a masculine noun, so αυτοί (masc.) is the logical form to use here.
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I find these types of examples (no, not this/that 'object') a bit lacking of context. Some additional info should be mentioned. :)
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Will we have access to that new tree when it is ready, or will it be available only if you restart the Greek course?