Разговоры на английском. Russian-English conversations.
Привет всем, тут некоторые пользователи выражали желание пообщаться на английском. Я слышала, что на нашем сайте ведётся разработка чата для этой цели. Ну а пока он не появился, предлагаю общаться здесь.
Hi everyone, I know that some of you want to practice their Russian skills. There is a rumor that we will have a chat on Duolingo one day, but for now, let's chat here, in this theme.
Предлагаю такие правила этой ветки: Если вы хотите начать разговор, то вы должны сделать это на иностранном языке. Укажите первым делом в скобках, какой язык вы изучаете. Именно на нём должно быть ваше сообщение. Дальше отвечать на сообщения можно на любом языке. Старайтесь отвечать на том языке, который изучает автор первого сообщения, но если хотите что-то пояснить по грамматике, то можно перейти и на более удобный для обсуждения.
The rules of this discussion are following. If you want to start a new discussion, you must use the language you're learning (in your case it is Russian). Put it in parrenthesis at the beggining of you post and write your post in the same language. Then the answers to the initial post may be in any language, try to use the one in the top post, but you may switch to another one to explain grammar or something of the sort.
Ниже я приведу пример, того как это будет выглядеть. Below I show a couple of examples, how it should work.
Давайте поговорим! Let's chat!
Я сама из Усть-Каменогорска :) В Вашингтоне у нас тот снег расстаял, даже был день, когда было +15, после него был еще снегопад на днях, так что я даже не смогла добраться до работы. Сейчас снег опять расстаял, но сегодня было ниже нуля. Очень необычная зима для нас, очень холодная. У нас тут обычно, температура зимой около нуля и может не быть снего а всю зиму вообще.
А в Алматы я никогда не была, а жаль, как-то в советское время было модно езать в Сочи, Ялту и т.д. вместо того, чтобы путешествовать по своей республике.
Your English is not bad. I was able to understand you. If you don't make mistakes, how would you learn? Let's try to improve your message together. Let's start with articles. You missed only 2. Can you find where? Anyone who is also learning English is welcome to help.
And I will tell you right away that him is only used with people, so English is not him, but it. :)
Thank you, i am glad what my english is not bad, as you tell. I не полностью understand you messege. But i will try improve my messege:
I think about it that is a good idea! But my english is so bad. I learn it a few weeks. In future i will write here.
Теперь, как я перевел ваше сообщение: Твой английский не плох. Я смогла понять тебя. Если ты не будешь делать ошибок, как тогда научишься? Давай попробуем улучшить твоё сообщение вместе. Начнем с артиклей. Ты пропустил всего 2. Можешь найти где? Остальные, кто также учит английский пожалуйста помогайте. И я сразу скажу, что он используется только к людям, так что Английский не он, а это.
не полностью понял = didn't completely understand.
Моё сообщение перевёл верно.
Уже нашёл один пропущенный артикль - it is A good idea. Одного всё еще не хватает. В последнем предложении, котрое в новой версии выглядит гораздо правильнее. Pay attention, I should be always capitalized, don't use i.
И ещё одна полезная идея, что как вопросительное слов - Что ты делаешь? - это what. Что как союз, "я думаю, что" "я рад, что" - это that.
Tell me more about yourself. Where are you from, Igor?
Let's talk about the best ways to study English by listening. Someone advises to watch English films with subtitles. What is your opinion? As for me, I studied English by reading English books and studied English on the site Lingualeo. Now I know enough words, but can't recognize it in speech:(
Great theme. I agree, being able to read is not the same as being able to understand people speaking. Good news, I have a piece of advice for you. I would say that watching movies with subtitles is too hard for a beginner. So, I suggest you do the following:
1) Find very short (no longer that 5 minutes) funny conversation about everyday topics. Listen each of them many times (100 or so). You can do some other things while listening, the point is to listen them a lot, till you get to hear English sounds and till you catch some English phrases and ways to say things. That exercise will dramatically improve your ability to hear, to understand and to speak.
2) The next step is to watch TV shows. The best are competitions or some shows with repetitive structure. First you will get the words which repeat each time, like rules of the competition, for instance. And then you'll be able to understand some new words each time. Choose something you would like to watch even if you don't understand English completely. For instance, if you watch America's got talent, you can enjoy the performances even if you don't know English at all.
When you're comfortable with watching shows you'll be much more prepared for watching movies, but it will still be a challenge, just don't give up, it is so worth the effort.
As for me, if you like to read books in English and want to improve your listening skills, then you could read/listen audio books. There is a lot of them on lingualeo. I've myself uploaded Orwell's "1984" and "Animal farm" with really good narrator. Also, I like Engvid video lessons and, of course, Philochko))
That is true, while it is a bit advanced, not for a complete beginner. Though I haven't tried audiobooks. I spend an hour each day in my car and could easily listen a lot of books, but I think I would be distracted and would not be able to concentrate on the book. Maybe I still should give it a try.
Я думаю, вам стоит ещё подучить основы, прежде чем пытаться выражать свои мысли на английском. Пока у вас получаются наборы слов и кальки с русского. Освойте базовую грамматику и читайте как можно больше для накопления слов и оборотов. Говорить и писать - это навыки более продвинутые.
А вот как я бы сказала то, что пытались сказать вы:
I'm also studying English on a website called Lingualeo. I want to speak English but I lack words to express my thoughts (я бы скзала даже but my vocabulary is too limited to fully express myself). Will you help me?
Hi everyone! I want to discuss your inward feeling of progress in study English. Why this theme is important for me? It's obvious - motivation. Sometime I feel that my skill of English improves quickly and I almost can speak and translate easily and automatically. BUT, sometimes my self-certification is based near the floor, and my inner voice tells me - you are loser, you will never achieve your goals, stop to trying, it's not yours....and many-many more. Am I alone with this feeling?
You're definitely not alone. I would say I have the same feelings each time I start doing something new in terms of the language. You know, when you do all the same things, you can get comfortable, but when you challenge yourself with something completely new, then you feel like it is too hard to bear with it. For instance, it was really hard for me when I first came to the U.S., I was so scared I walked everywhere instead of taking a bus or metro, as I wasn't sure I would be able to understand the driver and the passengers. Then the college - OMG it was hard, I failed my first English test, and I got C for one of my first English essays. When I tried to participate in class discussions, I was so slow, I sounded as if I was a child, so simple my sentences and words were. No wonder, that one of the people I met that time thought that I hadn't finished high school. But then I got it right and felt quite well during my years in college... till I graduated and got a job. The hiring managers had concerns about my English, and they were right to be worried. In the first couple of months I was totally lost, felt worthless and was ready to cry any minute. I could not keep up with conversations, I would have a headache by the end of the day, and I didn't get any humour for sure. Then it gradually got better and... I got a new position where all my team members were remote and I had to use phone a lot. Before that, I used to avoid phones by any means. Because it is much harder, you don't see the person and there are always some noises, so that you cannot understand everything. Again, the first month was tough, but it got better eventually.
So, how do I deal with that? I always tell myself - yes, it is hard, yes, I'm terrible right now, but... if I keep going it will become better, it may take months, but only months, for sure less than a year before I'm able to see improvements. I tell myself: let's think about it in 6 months, you'll see how much you will have improved by the time, and you'll be able to be proud of yourself. And indeed it always happens that way. It is just important to look back and praise your achievements. It feels so good :)
Really thanks for your optimistic answer! You are right - it is important to keep in mind how far you walked and don't give up. But, sometimes on some forums (where people discuss ways of learning English and their achievements) you can see how some of the learners tells that they increasingly improve their English during 4 or 6 months and on the other hand you (me I mean) - whole year in daily trainings (listen, read, write, repeat and again...) and the result is far from perfect...
I can relate to that as well. I see those people sometimes, the worst of them is my husband, he picks languages so easily and as I live with him there is no escape from this comparison with my own slow learning. But people are different, they have different abilities, different starting points, different circumstances and learning techniques. It is better to think about your own progress and to think about how you're better today than you were before, but... it is a good idea to always learn about new ways to learn languages. You don't need to blindly copy something that works for others, it may not work for you, but you should experiment to find the approaches that make your learning faster. Again, when I compare myself with my husband there are some things which we agree about in terms of how one should learn a language, we both believe that you don't need to learn all the grammar, it is better to start using language ASAP. We both agree that you don't need to learn lists of words, that it is better to pick up their meaning from the context and so on. But in terms of actual techniques we use, those are very different. I listen a lot and like to go through grammar exercises, and I pay a lot of attention to my pronunciation, he prefers to read newspapers and he writes down the words he doesn't know and checks them in the dictionary. What works for him doesn't work for me and vice versa. But we both are always curious about what other people do and we try new techniques from time to time.
New technique (small remark: when I knew English better I was amazed how many French words in the English dictionary :)). As for me, after many attempts one thing is really useful - every person, how want to learn foreign language, must immerse in language as deep as possible, and if you are not a polyglot you should do it not during 30 minutes or even an hour but every moment of your day when you can (and when you can't too :)) It is not easy. Our laziness is powerful rival. But we must be strong and tough with our desire to achieve our goals. Amen
(English) Hi everybody! I think that the best way to study a foreign language is the communication with native speakers. More better is if they could teach you, explain the grammer rules and improve your mistakes. There is a good method calls "tandem learning". But it is very difficult to find a partner because there are not many english-speakers who wants to study russian. It is interesting, are there any persons who practice their Russian skills on this site?
There are people like that, if you read our discussions regularly, you'll find them. Also, when we create the reverse course, Russian for English speakers, you'll have even more opportunities to meet them. Also I can reccomend lang8 project. There you can ask natives to correct your texts and they would also add comments. It is a great place to meet other language speakers who also know yours. More than that, they've just created a new resource called HiNative.
"HiNative provides people with a simple and easy-to-use platform for asking questions about language, culture, anything then getting answers from real people all over the world. It also provides users with an opportunity to teach others about your world. (Currently only available on smartphones) http://hinative.com?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=140217 You can register HiNative very easily with your Lang-8 ID."
In this discussion, as you may see, people are not interacting with each other. That is not surprising to me, but it is kind of interesting, that while everyone claims that they want to talk, they don't actually try to talk to each other.
Hi Larisa, I can' say that I know English pefectly, but I have time after time work with foreight specialists (I'm engineer electronic)and we understand one anoter almost complete. But I have (I think not only me) one big problem - when I haven't possible to tell with anybody till some times, first one : I bouring about it (English conversations), and second one I'm forgetting some words and expressions (for good shoot we must many shoot). Wathing moves in English and readind different books can't help me, I really need live speaking. That why I very like your idea about live community. I would wery happy to have regulary contacts with anybody whose native language is English, too much if he(she) learning Russian. We would using Skype(for example)or may be anytime here appear self talk-client and help one another learning. What do you think about it ? Thak you. Alex.
Hi Alex, I think it is a great idea, and there are actually so many opportunities nowdays to learn English, to speak with natives, to read English websites, to play games, to chat and so on. Your English does requruire a lot of imporvement, I'm not sure I understood completely some parts of your message. That's fine, you're learing, but I think you would benefit from reading. Read something you really like - professional literature, intersting blogs, computer journals, whatever, you'll learn a lot from that. Talking about your message, I think you should really fix one thing - you need to name your profession correctly. It is who you are, and you need to get it right. Here is a story for you. When I was applying to a unversity in Russia, I had an English exam. I was asked then, why I chose Psychology as my future profession. The question was written, but I had to answer loudly to the examiners. The problem was I didn't know how to pronounce psychology - I prounounced it психолоджи. The examiners were suprised. I didn't get a good grade as you may guess. The moral of the story - find out how to translate your occupation. Don't forget to use articles. So, what do you do Alex? Are you an electronic engineer? Please check the internet and find out how it is called.
Yes, sure, I agree that a book about ancient Japan may not be thу best one to find simple everyday topics :) What would you like to talk about? Seems like we have some people here to participate.
Кстати, I hardly study значит Я едва ли занимаюсь. Лучше сказать I study hard. Но в конкретном данном случае требуется сложная временная конструкция I have been studying English very hard in the last few weeks.
thank you for paid attention to my message. I study hard - sounded the most better. My choice the book about adventures in past of Japan made in such goals - very amusingly and not exist in the Russian translation. As for the conversation, how about the more simplest topic - food in home? I like make dishes in my kitchen. Fried salmon with pasta and a cream milk are delicious.
I love salmon. I usually bake it in the oven with batata fries. In this case, sweet potatoes are much better than just potatoes because they are orange just as salomon meat. What do you do with the cream milk, how do you use it in your recipe?
P.S. paid attention - оплаченное внимение, явно не то, что вы хотели сказать, было бы лучше thank you for the reply. the most better - надо говорить the best.
I cook pasta with salmon by this recipe: fondly fry some slices salmon on olive oil and put into cooked pasta with some soup after boiled pasta. Till 3-4 minutes it cooked on middle hot cooker, after add some cream milk and it warmed, during 2-3 minutes it is creating dish with the soft creme sauce. Possible add to it rub hard cheese while warm
а что здесь имеется ввиду под cream milk, просто обычно говорят либо cream - сливки, либо milk - молоко, я же подозреваю, что у вас в рецепте скорее сметана - sour cream.
Corrections: add some cream milk and warm it. You can add some ground yellow cheese while the dish is still warm.
It depends on how to count. As many others, I studied English at school and then later at college. But it was so boring, I didn't like it at all. I hoped that when I graduate I would never use it again. However, I moved to Israel and learned Hebrew on my own, that gave me positive language experience. So I started learning English by myself before moving to the U.S. That was 6 years ago. Since then I have graduated from college in the U.S. and have been working at an American company for more than 2 years. Thanks to all that, I now know English quite well.
So, you've been studying English at school for 8 years, but as your teachers change too often, you started to study English by yourself. Why? Why do you feel you need English? What is your goal? How are you going to use the language?
It is actually called Peoples' Friendship University of Russia - (дословно Народов Дружбы Университет России) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples'_Friendship_University_of_Russia but you were very close in your translation :) I would not be able to guess the correct translation myself. That is why always check Wikipedia. Indeed, speaking fluently at least English should be very helpful when applying to that university.
Talking about where I am from originally, I was born in Kazakhstan and lived there till 18, then I moved to Russian to go to college. How about you? Where are you from?
I can see that, but it is great that you're trying. You should, though, pay more attention to what you're writing. Try to write first in a Word document and check spelling.
So you live in Perm. You said - winter, so do you have snow? I would think it should be raining in October, as it is still Fall.
The weather is fine in D.C. It was nice, warm and sunny yesterday, and then later in the evening it started pouring heavily and didn't stop till noon today. So it is quite chilly and cloudy right now. But I doubt it will be like that for long. At least I hope to travel to the mountains on the weekend to see the fall colors in their full beauty.
Check this http://goo.gl/z3Uhqg
Isn't it beautiful?