"Your black biro"

Translation:Dy feiro ddu

September 21, 2016

12 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/RobertEddy

A biro is a ballpoint pen? There's something new for North American ears.

December 11, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/blueandnerdy

What's a biro?

September 21, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Hughes-Jeff

I've never heard anyone call a ballpoint pen a Biro before. Maybe it's a regional thing.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/ibisc

Common in Britain.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Russell359924

and Australia

March 28, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/PushythePirate1

Never heard of a biro. I was sitting here, trying to decide if i has read that right or had perhaps not had enough coffee yet.

May 30, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/rmcode
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The problem for Welsh in devising a word for the ballpoint pen is that the word 'pen' is 'head' in Welsh.

The formal word 'ysgrifbin' = 'writing pen' has been available for about 200 years but a more casual word has only been available since the 70's ie the commercial brand 'biro'. which has been adopted as the word 'beiro'

May 30, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/PushythePirate1

very interesting, thank you!

June 2, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/ysbeidiauheulog

So does almost nobody say ysgrifbin anymore? Would it sound unnatural to say 'A oes gennych ysgrifbin' in Welsh? Would it imply a fountain pen or something? I asked Google translate 'Do you have a pen?' And it gave me 'A oes gennych pen' So presumably the English word is still borrowed sometimes in spite of It's other meaning in Welsh.

September 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/ibisc

Google's Welsh is very poor still, mixing registers and with frequent errors.

A oes... is from a formal register of Welsh, and not often used day-to-day, Similarly gennych, especially without a following chi. And there should be a soft mutation of pin (rather than pen) in that sentence.

ysgrifpin is probably less used nowadays than pin. You might use pen, but that is normally used for 'head' or 'end'.

So, for 'your (common or garden) black (ball-point) pen:

  • dy feiro ddu/du
September 13, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/ysbeidiauheulog

Very helpful. Thank you!

September 13, 2017
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