https://www.duolingo.com/Luke_5.1991

An amazing new Duolingo feature I hope to see extended to all languages

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When you click on a word in a sentence discussion for some "core" languages, like German and Swedish, the following menu appears:

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This is a wonderful new gateway into better understanding a given word and exploring the contexts in which it's used. I can't wait to see what happens with this feature as it gets implemented across the website.

September 22, 2016

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https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Thanks for the screenshot!

September 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/DonFiore
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You mean the green bits are the new feature? Hasn't the rest been on Words forever?

September 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Luke_5.1991
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Apparently something's new here, since this feature works for Swedish, which does not have a "Words" or "Immersion" tab.

September 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/DonFiore
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I just tested and noticed that you also see other discussions with the word and there's a "See also" section. Those are definitely new.

September 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Koopafro
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Must be an a/b thing, I don't seem to have it.

September 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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Actually, it's not an A/B test. The links were implemented yesterday.

If you still don't see them on a sentence discussion page, can you reload the page? You'll see a blue link on each word.

September 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/wombatua
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My god. Someone from Duolingo actually deigning to communicate with users. Thank you. Let's see much more of it...

September 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Koopafro
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Well, I'm either doing something wrong or it's just not working for me. I tried it with both Swedish and German, with new lessons and strenghening.

September 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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Can you try this sentence discussion? https://www.duolingo.com/comment/11141446 On this specific URL, you may need to set your UI language to English to see the word links.

September 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Koopafro
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It works fine on this one. I realized I only tried the "pop-up" discussions, and not the "full-screen" like this one. Maybe this feature is only meant for the second kind ?

September 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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You are right, it's currently available in the second kind only. If it turns out to be useful, we may enable the link for the first kind too.

September 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/russtang
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I'm experiencing the same thing. Pop-up discussions don't give me this feature but full-screen discussions do. So far I've only figured out that, to get to the full-screen one, either follow a discussion and then find it in the "Followed" list on the "Discussion" page or search for it using the search function on the "Discussion" page. Hopefully hideki or someone can give us some more information on this because my Followed list is getting long and the discussion search function seems to give a lot of results.

September 23, 2016

[deactivated user]

    This is going to be a great help. I did have to change my base language back to English in order to see the links. Thanks for this feature!

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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    You're welcome!

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/placeholder173

    Is this available for all languages, or only the "core"/main ones?

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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    It should be available for all languages, but linking may not be working perfectly for languages such as Russian. On the word page, grammatical information (gender, number, case, conjugation table) is available for some languages only at the moment.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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    The dictionary lookup for Irish is treating the same noun with different initial mutations as if they were different nouns; for example, the entries for bean, bhean, and mbean all have different content, despite being forms of the same word (“woman”). (For those who aren’t familiar with Irish, a rough equivalent in English would be having entries with different content for “gray” and “grey”; despite the difference in spelling, they’re identical in meaning, so it doesn’t make sense for them to have different content.)

    Are the “See also” links based solely on the content of existing exercises? Linking a word like arán (“bread“) with each of bean, bhean, and mbean doesn’t otherwise seem particularly relevant.

    It looks as though different words with the same spelling (e.g. an) have a combined dictionary entry, despite the spelling being the only thing that they have in common. (An existing exercise such as An scríobhann an scríbhneoir? shows two different an words, which represent different parts of speech.)

    Some dictionary entry summaries are incomplete, e.g. a.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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    Great feedback! We hope to address them in the future!

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/Luke_5.1991
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    Norwegian isn't getting these at all. I've tried many sentence discussions without success.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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    Thanks for the bug report. The new feature seems to have a problem in Norwegian and Dutch. I'll fix it in a few days.

    September 25, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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    Now the "word pages" are available for Norwegian and Dutch too. Here are sample URLs.

    Norwegian: https://www.duolingo.com/dictionary/Norwegian%20(Bokm%C3%A5l)/kj%C3%B8per/2bfe90e5f6f0721428e7f9ec53265a84

    Dutch: https://www.duolingo.com/dictionary/Dutch/sociologie/9f48a9a6b0bd531e9b279f37ecbaead2

    Thanks again for your feedback, Andrzej!

    September 26, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/grey236
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    For Ukrainian the word would highlight but it didn't show the full declension of a noun or conjugation of a verb :(

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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    That's expected as it's a “non-core” language. Hopefully we can show useful grammatical information it in the future.

    September 25, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/northernguy
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    hideki

    But what your screen shot shows has been available on Duo for years. Mouseover any word in an example and it gives you the definition. It's been available on Russian since day one. I have always assumed that Duo won't release a language until that function is up and running.

    Posters here keep saying ..click on A word on a full discussion page but I highly doubt that Duo is providing definitions for every word in every comment posted by users.

    If it is something else, I wish someone would describe it accurately complete with screen shots of the new feature. And not just describe it but explain how to actually make it work.

    I don't see anything different on English as a base language for German on a freshly booted computer and a brand new instance of the Chrome browser.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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    The new feature is the blue link for each word in an exercise (see hideki’s image in this discussion); click on the blue link, and you’ll be taken to a word page, such as was shown for akzeptiert in Luke_5.1991’s image at the top of this discussion. This doesn’t apply to every word in every user’s comment; it only applies to the words of an exercise, where one could previously get only dictionary hints by hovering over them.

    EDIT: Also see TarjaVa’s first image in this discussion; the blue links can also be found in an exercise’s Translation (e.g. for English-to-German exercises in the German from English course).

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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    Conjugation continues to be unavailable in “non-core” courses (such as Irish from English)

    Those tables need grammatical informations that can be defined by contributors (in the incubator) only for courses teaching DE, EN, ES, FR, IT or PT.
    That's why other courses can't have it(*). At least until Duo:

    • either make all language "core" language (=switch them all to the old system)
      => Unlikely since it'd need for all those courses to almost be entirely recreated, at least to redefine one by one all lexemes that are taught in the course.
    • or to manage to have those grammatical tables/info wihout them having been given by the contributors.

    I presume that that applies to any course that emerged from the Incubator.

    Nope, for example EN from DE, PL, JA, zh-CN and RU have been created in the incubator and do have those tables: only course teaching a "core" language can have it.


    (*) Not saying that all courses teaching a "core" language have it, only that those not teaching one of those 6 languages can't have it under the actual system their created with. ;)

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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    only courses teaching a “core” language can have [conjugation].

    Thanks for the clarification!

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/DonFiore
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    One could also see the conjugation table by hovering over and clicking "Conjugate", at least on the core languages.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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    Conjugation continues to be unavailable in “non-core” courses (such as Irish from English) — I presume that that applies to any course that emerged from the Incubator.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/buck72
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    Thank you, this is so helpful, I wasn't aware of this. A Lingot for you! :)

    September 22, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/Tarjava

    "The blue link" part was mysterious to me. I tried to see those from the current lesson I am at, only to realize that they appear on SOME of the exercises, even if they are mirror opposite of each other. See the example below for "husband and wife" where the blue link appears for the translation into Irish, but not for the original in Irish (the latter is part of a lesson: Family 2/3).

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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    Could your browser’s cache need to be flushed? I just searched for the Irish-to-English Fear céile agus bean chéile exercise, and the blue links show up in it for me.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/Tarjava

    I just did, and it worked, great! Didn't realize that was the simple solution :o

    September 23, 2016

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    when did Swedish become a "core" language?

    September 23, 2016

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    It didn't: the "core" languages are only the 6 first languages that have been added on Duolingo and they are "core" language only in the sense that they don't work on the exact same system (incubator related) than the other languages.
    The feature is available for all language (if not for some languages then, according to staff, it's a bug and staff will probably want to hear about it in order to solve it) eager to hear, not only for "core" language, but "core" language have few grammatical indications in this new feature that other don't have (this is due to other languages not working on the same system) .

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
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    you mean Spanish, French, Portuguese, German, and Italian from English, and English from those 5?

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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    If you refer to my first paragraph then no, I meant "core" languages: any course teaching one of those 6 "core" languages (no matter the source language) is a "core" course in the sense that it's constructed on another (and older) system than courses teaching a non-"core" language (no matter the source language).

    From there you have three type of courses and the (not-abandoned(*)) features available is different for each groups:

    • courses teaching a "core" language from another "core" language.
      • And, among them, you even have a subgroup that have even more features: the 10 courses between English and one of the other 5 "core" languages = your list.
    • courses teaching a "core" language from a non-"core" language.
      They don't have the link to the Words tab (that the above ones have) for example
    • courses teaching a non-"core" language (from any other language).
      Up to few months ago, they didn't have the Fluency badge (that the above ones already had) for example

    See also a little more here.

    (*) to exclude the special case of Immersion feature. ;)


    EDIT: last item edited (see below), thx scilling!

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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    Don’t forget the fourth type of course — those that teach a non-“core” language from a “core” language.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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    Oups, my 3rd type wasn't supposed to be

    courses teaching a non-"core" language from a non-"core" language.

    but

    courses teaching a non-"core" language (from any other language)

    and thus include this one. ;)

    I edited my above post, thanks for the remark!

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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    Thanks for finding it! We added the new blue links yesterday. Let us know if you have any feedback or suggestions.

    EDIT: Currently, the links show up in sentence discussion from the discussion topic page, such as https://www.duolingo.com/topic/2/sent It's not yet available at in-lesson sentence discussions. Grammatical information is shown for the "core" languages only. On a discussion for X from Y course, you need to set the UI language to Y in order to see links. Also, you may need to refresh the page in order to flush cache. Some words may still be missing links. This may not work with old browsers. All of these things may change in the future (depending on how useful they are, etc).

    September 23, 2016

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    Are you going to add a way to directly search for a word without having to find an exercise that contains it first?

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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    If we have many requests, maybe!

    EDIT: In the meantime, if you want to look up a word, you could Google up such as "duolingo meaning of XYZ", or use the Google's internal site search:

    Google may not have indexed all the pages yet though.

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/ChristianofPeace

    I too request it and anyone who up votes our comments are further requests.

    September 25, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/ColbyMort

    That would be an awesome addition!

    September 25, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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    You can consider this comment to be a request then! :-)

    September 23, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/JohnCena65

    That would be cool

    February 15, 2018

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    Can details of this new feature be added as a sticky so the whole community can find out about it without just accidentally stumbling over it (and then plaguing the forums with thousands of repeated questions about it). It would be nice to have somewhere to direct people for more information.

    Merci

    September 24, 2016

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      I can access the links in EN->SP, but not in EN->RU. Will those links be up and working soon? Thanks in advance.

      September 23, 2016

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      We noticed some Russian words have problems in automatically linking. It should work for some sentences, such as this one: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/16194600

      September 23, 2016

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      It's a nice addition.

      September 23, 2016

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      First, great feature, it was a very pleasant surprise when I discovered it last night. Thank you! Second, a suggestion. Right now, the "Discussions with the word "whatever-the-word-is":" section only contains sentences with the word in the title, eg "arrête", all the sentences have the title in French. It would be useful if discussions with the title in English and the word in the translation (such as this one for "arrête", where the title is in English and the translation is French) were also included.

      September 23, 2016

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      Thanks Emilie737! It's actually enabled for both forward and reverse sentences. It may be a cache issue -- I was able to show the links on that page after a page refresh.

      September 23, 2016

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      I think Emilie737 suggestion isn't about the words sheet being accessible from Sentence discussion of forward and backward exercises but about the fact that once vieweing the "Words sheet", the section "Discussions with the word" only contains links to Sentence discussions that are forward exercises and they suggest that it contains also links to sentence discussions of backward exercises.

      With the example they gave :

      only contains 5 French sentences (no link to a sentence written in English, to a backward exercise of an exercise containing "arrête"). They suggest that it contains also links to some English sentence (which translation contains the word that the "Word sheet" is about.
      So they suggest that the list of links would contain also, for example, a link to "Stop looking at me like that. ".

      September 23, 2016

      https://www.duolingo.com/Trofaste
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      Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Somewhere in here someone got confused, but I'm not sure who... I read hideki's comment as saying that that's the way it's supposed to work, maybe it's me who's confused.

      September 23, 2016

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      Ah I see, thanks for the follow up jrikhal! We were wondering if adding links to relevant non-sentence discussions would help (e.g. linking from "de" and "het" word pages to Difference between 'de' and 'het' forum page.) Reverse sentence discussion links might be added as a part of that change.

      September 26, 2016

      https://www.duolingo.com/Trofaste
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      That would definitely help! I vote for doing that. :)

      September 27, 2016

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      Hm, strange. It still doesn't work for me.

      September 23, 2016

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      What's your browser and its version?

      September 26, 2016

      https://www.duolingo.com/northernguy
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      It doesn't work for me. My Chrome browser is Version 53.0.2785.116 m which is up to date.

      I have flushed cache and rebooted etc and it still doesn't work. Not that it just doesn't work but it doesn't even appear.

      September 26, 2016

      https://www.duolingo.com/Knocksedan

      For languages like Irish, that don't use a TTS engine, and require actual recordings, so that not all sentences have audio available, it would be extremely helpful if the list of related sentences could display a speaker symbol next to sentences that have audio. That way, if you are looking at an exercise that doesn't have audio, you could click on the word that you are interested in, and quickly see if any other exercises have audio with that particular word pronounced.

      Also, I know that when searching for a particular word or phrase in the forums, you can only find a particular sentence if someone has already commented on it. There are still some sentences that don't have any comments on them in Irish. If you are looking for related sentences because you want to hear the pronunciation of a particular word, being able to bring up sentences that have never been commented on would increase the chance of finding an audio match.

      October 19, 2016

      https://www.duolingo.com/hideki
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      Thanks, these are great suggestions!

      October 20, 2016

      https://www.duolingo.com/Ifphigenia
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      This is a great addition but to clarify, I thought you at first that you meant the available links would be in blue on the discussion page, whereas of course, they are not. You need to click on the word written in black, which then turns blue before giving you the additional information. Excellent feature though and it would be even better with the ability to search for a specific word. Many thanks.

      September 24, 2016

      https://www.duolingo.com/Carol66306

      Wow ! Very nice.

      September 23, 2016

      https://www.duolingo.com/Osnakezz
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      Wait, what—when, no—how‽ Since when has this been added?

      This is brilliant and fantastic!

      September 23, 2016
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