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Out of curiosity, given that an earlier lesson included "Αυτό είναι το βιβλίο που αγόρασα", would "Αυτή είναι η γυναίκα που βρήκα" mean the same thing?
Yes, it is a correct translation. However, the unit was on "Relative Pronouns" so we thought to emphasise the "την οποία". But both are correct in English.
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Emphasis of lesson Understood. However what about the reverse of Vistonrev's answer? What would be the Greek translation for "She is the woman I found"? i.e. Do you need you need to use the relative pronoun in Greek?
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Yup, I believe you do -- either που or την οποία. Greek is a little less telegraphic and a little more analytic than English usage here.
Because την οποία (as a whole) refers to η γυναίκα, which is feminine grammatically.
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her you have to take the feminine accusative form from "η οποία" and that is "την οποία"
In formal writing in English "that" does not function grammatically with people as a relative pronoun, although in colloquial English "that" with people in such constructions is common. It is so common, in fact, that when teaching formal writing one can only point out the matter. Sometimes when a phenomenon moves from formal to informal at some point it ceases to be formal and becomes archaic. It's a contextualized judgment call whether "that" in such cases is dialect, colloquial, or error. Since DL focuses on colloquial language acquisition, we have an English colloquialism here. In formal writing, it would be "...whom I found." When someone uses the direct object declined "whom" it tells a lot about the person's social location.
I think there's nothing unnatural about the English construction :/ That, used as a conjunction, is not always necessary, if this is what you are referring to.
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I took AniOhevYahin's excellent comment to refer not to the conjunction "that," but the relative pronoun, as in "the woman that/whom I found." In other words, the case at hand in this thread....
I was wondering, in the colloquial Greek I learned as a child, που was used, like, everywhere. So my question is, what is the difference (maybe in level of speech) between:
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Είναι η γυναίκα που βρήκα
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Είναι η γυναίκα την οποία βρήκα
The second one sounds more formal, but maybe the first one is just plain wrong?
As always, ευχαριστώ για τις απαντήσεις.
Of course, you're right. And που is an accepted translation and no doubt the most usual way of saying this...but we need to introduce all possible forms. Both are equally correct.
Whom is grammatically correct, as is 'that' (whether it should or should not be used for humans). 'Whom' should not be rejected.
whom is of course accepted as a correct translation. Of course, other than after prepositions, it's being neglected more and more and one day will be a thing of the past. But here on Duo, we can have alternative translations so we go by the book.
WHOM I found. (since you use 'whom' elsewhere) 'that' should be reserved for things, not used for people
"... whom I found" is not accepted, although in a similar sentence it is.
"...whom I found" is one of the accepted answers but without see the rest of the sentence we can't determine why the sentence wasn't accepted.
From your Report, I see it says..."She is the woman whom I find." that was the reason it was rejected. It's a slip up using the wrong tense.
Ευχαριστώ πολύ. Ήμουν σίγουρος ότι έγραψα whom I found, αλλά προφανώς έκανα λάθος.
Could I also write: Αυτη είναι η γυναίκα and then the genitive form of την οποια?
