https://www.duolingo.com/Ulritsch

Adding Esperanto

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Since the grammar in Esperanto is really easy - look into the two links attached below - the effort of adding it as a language to learn would not be too big. Please consider it.

Sincerely, Ulritsch

http://esperanto.50webs.com/index.html http://donh.best.vwh.net/Esperanto/rules.html


Update#1

Hello all (posted this as a comment but thought I'd add it up here so all see it immediately)

thanks for all the comments. I was very nice to receive an email almost every week, telling me somebody else commented on this discussion. I seriously thought it would not get any attention at all.

Last week I sent out an Email to Duolingo's support team with the link to this discussion, asking what they think about adding Esperanto. Myra responded a few days later, telling me that there was something called incubator (http://incubator.duolingo.com/), where people can suggest languages and help building a course for it. Sadly, I don't know any Esperanto (so far!) but maybe there is somebody more experienced here who has the time and the will to help do this? I think I speak for all by saying that it would be greatly appreciated.

Please pass on this info to any Esperanto (or Interlingua) speakers you know. Together we can make the easiest languages learn-able for everyone and maybe one day have a world language!

Many thanks,

Ulrich


Update#2

Hi!

Thanks to the Incubator on Duolingo, it is now possible to create a course for a new language, so we will hopefully see Esperanto on here soon! To coordinate the efforts in creating this course, I set up a facebook page. Please join the group if you want to help and tell any of your friends who might be able to help.

Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/807335639292845

Thanks!

Ulrich

6 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/mixalis

+1

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Red_Rat_Writer

I really want this to be a reality.

It would help promote the language, and it would create more Esperanto reading material (because we're translating documents, right?)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Axel584
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+1 bona ideo !

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JasonPParis
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I agree.

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JFrasch

I really hope they address this at some point. I really want them to add this language. Many people I know would probably learn Esperanto if it were on here but since all other sources kinda suck, they are put off from learning it. It would also help people (if they took it as their first Duolingo language) with learning other languages, due to its similarities to other European languages.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Obstructor

Esperanto is so easy to learn. What does it say on wikipedia? That you can learn it in 150 hours compared to 2000 hours for german or 1000 hours for a romance language.

I like it because it obeys all its own rules and has very straightforward wording. All nouns end in O, all adjectives end in a, infinitives i. Sometimes it doesn't flow properly when you have odd sentences.

But esperanto is a great easy to learn language and they say your first foreign language is always the hardest one to learn so it may as well be a really easy one.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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That's 7.5% as long as it takes to learn German. GERMAN. From English. A Germanic language.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tacit
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I would be interested. Also, Ido.

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sarmady
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+1 Ido

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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Tacit - what do you think about this?

As I mention in this thread, I was inspired by this Duolingo thread to make the following video on the question Which Conlang would be the best International Auxiliary Language?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl5PRFz0DHxZfkF-P2CpSfnfQ0d4b2QXV https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl5PRFz0DHxZfkF-P2CpSfnfQ0d4b2QXV

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lohnesinpr
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Please add Esperanto. Your exercises make language learning fun. I need to learn Esperanto for my next trip abroad.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreeXenon
6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Athenicuber

I feel the need to learn esperanto as a bridge language to help learn german, spanish, danish, scots, etc.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leighman

Yes please

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dalmose

I totally agree ;O)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/miropiro
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I agree, this is very good idea :)!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NewbSombrero
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This would be most excellent.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aleksescomu
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Mi tre ŝatus ke Esperanto estu en Duolingo! Bonvolu! Tiu afero ne devus mal-simpli :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ulritsch
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Hello all,

thanks for all the comments. I was very nice to receive an email almost every week, telling me somebody else commented on this discussion. I seriously thought it would not get any attention at all.

Last week I sent out an Email to Duolingo's support team with the link to this discussion, asking what they think about adding Esperanto. Myra responded a few days later, telling me that there was something called incubator (http://incubator.duolingo.com/), where people can suggest languages and help building a course for it. Sadly, I don't know any Esperanto (so far!) but maybe there is somebody more experienced here who has the time and the will to help do this? I think I speak for all by saying that it would be greatly appreciated.

Please pass on this info to any Esperanto (or Interlingua) speakers you know. Together we can make the easiest languages learn-able for everyone and maybe one day have a world language!

Many thanks, Ulrich

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/macrobug

+1

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PatrickBrett1

JES

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luko.
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There are a lot of suggest to add esperanto to duolingo, and a lot of people sent the petition to create the course, we just need duolingo to let us create the course!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/compotrigo
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Do you know interlingua? It is a language that the Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French, Romanian... people can understand since the firs time they have contact with it. Interlingua's vocabulay has common roots. Interlingua grammar is simple, English-like.

It is also easy to learn Interlingua for English speakers.

http://www.interlingua.com/

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JFrasch

I would love to see Interlingua as well. It is a very beautiful language and I love romance languages. It is incredibly easy to understand as someone who is interested in romance languages AND speaks fluent English. I hope they add both languages eventually because they are both very interesting IALs and great languages. It would be interesting if they promoted them in a way that said "hey, here's the option take Interlingua or Esperanto BEFORE you take insert European language here, it will be much easier to learn after this". That would raise the number of IAL speakers and help people learn regular languages more easily.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pakkaphonzwb

I am looking forward to the day Interlingua appears on Duolingo. :) I think most people wouldn't care to learn an IAL. Take a look at Esperanto; it has very large speaker communities but still not large enough to make the question "Why learn Esperanto? We already have English" obsolete. This is where Interlingua shines. Because people don't need to learn Interlingua to understand Interlingua but it would be quite easy to learn if they choose to do so. Esperanto is easy to learn, but not easy to guess and understand for non-esperantists.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lohnesinpr
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Esperanto is a neutral language. People in China are learning Esperanto so they can speak to each other . Mandarin has about 900 million speakers, Wu 90 million speakers , most likely you have never heard of Yue (60 million) and Min (50 million). Mongolian language has over 5 million speakers, as does Tibetan 56 recognized ethnic groups in China speak different languages from eight primary language families and they are unintelligible to each other. This is why people want to study Esperanto.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pakkaphonzwb

I understand your point. But when I first learn Esperanto I've tried telling people about it. Almost none of them get interested. It is neutral, yes, but you can't use it to speak to anybody, especially within countries with no or few esperantists. And if you say that they could use Esperanto to communicate with esperantists around the world, couldn't those esperantists speak English or some other romance languages? Sure, we could help promote Esperanto, but for what? Non language-lovers wouldn't want to spend their time to help increase the number of speakers of a language they don't even know exists. It's not helping their business while English works fine (they can even talk to esperantists with it!). And it won't be helping perhaps in their lifetime. Some people like you or me might like the idea and wants to support IAL, others just consider it completely unnecessary and useless. This doesn't happen, or at least with less degree, with Interlingua. I showed some Thai people with no background in learning languages apart from what is taught in compulsory education a random Interlingua article. Most of them understand most of the article and then they show some interest in learning it. The neutral language thing is not really helping, it pushes people away. Even non-european people already learn English or some other language in addition to their native language as a compulsory education. For example Thai people already have to learn English. Why is starting learning Esperanto from 0 better? Your example considers only their native languages, but what about non-native languages which they might already have to learn? I bet most would have to learn English or some romance language, so why the neutral language thing?

I've also answered something similar to what you say when a friend asked "Why learn Esperanto? Who would you speak to with it?" and then they replied "Why? You already could talk to most of them in English." When put it that way, Esperanto doesn't really help me with anything. It's just a part of my ideal, which Interlingua also shares.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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You're talking about English like it's every Esperantist's L1.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pakkaphonzwb

I did include "romance languages" there. Are you sure that more esperantists can't speak any of those than those who can?

And if you think I said that by speaking English or any other romance languages one can speak to all esperantists, you're missing the point. It is estimated that there are around 10m people around the world study Esperanto to some extent. Why would people care if they can't speak to some of those strangers in English? Because those who can speak English but don't know Esperanto is less than 10m? Come on!

And you have to consider that will people who have no intention to learn English or any other already in popular use really has an intention to learn Esperanto? I really don't think so. Not from my experience.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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I wouldn't say "neutral"(its vocabulary is almost entirely European), but yeah, great language.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lohnesinpr
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"Neutral", not my language, not your language, not their language....a second language for every one

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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Hooo, mi komprenas. Mi neniam vere komprenis tion antaux.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fettes

I too would love to see Esperanto added to the list. Though I fear it wont happen because I can't see a lot of people who would be willing to pay to have stuff translated to and from Esperanto. But we can still have hope :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aleksescomu
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Jen grupego en Facebook (pli ol 11.000 anoj) https://www.facebook.com/groups/esperanto.grupo/ Here you have a big group on Facebook (more than 11.000 members)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/juliotoro

tio estas tre interesa

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sebciok
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That would be fantastic, please add it

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreeXenon

I one of the most extensive lists of Esperanto links on my blog: http://www.arionshome.com/esperanto/eo-links/

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rdcreek
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Duolingo should really jump on Esperanto.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aleksescomu
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There's a group on Facebook waiting for the permission creating the course in the incubator. https://www.facebook.com/groups/esperanto.duolingo/

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iustitia
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Very useful link. Did any of you get any feedback from Duolingo if there are going to let you all build the course in near future?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aleksescomu
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You can start learning and practicing Esperanto in this 12000 member group https://www.facebook.com/groups/esperanto.grupo/ The description there has courses, youtube courses (e.g. Mazi en Gondolando!), dictionaries, events, jokes group, skype group, association pages, corpora, and all you'll need to get in this world!

I'm now member of UEA and I'll get two paper magazines (every month) for 63€ this year (two magazines cause I'm under 30 years old, so I'll get Kontakto and Esperanto magazines)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/glavkos
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+1 Bonvolu aldonu Esperanto al Duolingo

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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I think that should be "Bovolu aldoni Esperanton al Duolingo", but aldoni is a funny word so im not sure.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/glavkos
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That's also right ...my phrase is two imperatives in the raw. Esperanto has only 16 rules. So, as long as something is not against the rules it can be considered right :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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Well, some of the "16 rules" don't pertain to grammar, and they don't wholly explain Esperanto grammr, either.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/carrots084
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Mi ne scias, se vi ankoraŭ uzas duolingvon, sed vi malkorektis. "Bonvolu aldonu" ne korektas

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wizkitty
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I would also love to see Esperanto here.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/compotrigo
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I like the idea. An international language would be cool and usefull. But I think Esperanto can be improved.

1º Esperanto adds letters with circunflex accents.

2º Esperanto has similar sounds (like ch, sh, s, ds...). Esperanto's fonetic and alphabet could be simplified.

3º Esperanto has acusative mark. I think that is good idea to use acusative marks, but why in the adjectives?

4º Adjectives in Esperanto have the same number and case that the nouns. But they have not the same gender (adjectives heve not gender mark). It would be easier invariable adjectives like in English, without number or case marks.

Esperanto needs a evolution.

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Darkflemy

Hey Compotrigo,

The points you bring are indeed real, but Esperanto cannot be change by the will of one man or by the will of a team. Languages don't work that way. There is very little Duolingo (or anybody) can do about it.

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/compotrigo
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First of all, sorry for my bad Englihs! I hope you can understand, but English is still so new for me. I did not study English at the school. I'm solving that with Duolingo. :-)

I know. Duolingo cannot improve the Esperanto Language. I Know also an alone speaker cannot change a language. Languages change naturally when most of their speaker change the way of use them.

I have had very recently my frirst contact with Esperanto. I am not an expert, sure! I just know few rules. But in my opinion Esperanto has good and bad things. Esperanto is not a natural language, but a planned language. If a person, or a team, designs an auxiliar language, he (or she) has to set the simpliest rules.

I just want share my opinion. And I encourage somebody, if he (or she) is interested in, to create or develope a simplified version of Esperanto because Esperanto is a easy language, but it can became easier,

English is in our time the major auxiliar language in the world. Probabilly people do not will want learn other auxiliary language. But I think every natural language has many cultural uses, double meannings, ambiguous uses... it is very hard for most of thr people to be in same conditions of use that native speakers. I think a real auxiliary international language cannot be a natural language.

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Darkflemy

Interesting point of view you have. Esperanto does have little problems, but it's almost impossible to make an auxlang (auxiliar language) available and easy for all. Esperanto has been made primarily for european language, mostly French, Spanish, Italian, German, English, and a bit of Dutch and Russian here and there. A Chinese speaker or a Guarani speaker would have a pretty hard time learning it (less than English, but still).

There are dozens, if not hundreds of Auxlang. If you're interested, there is Interlingua, Ido, Pandunia, and many others (just look on Wikipedia for a list).

Creating a language is a lot of fun. I have myself many conlangs (Constructed languages) on my side, but I haven't try to create an Auxlang, because I think that it's an utopia, believing that everybody in the world will one day speak all the same language. There will always be "stronger" and "weaker" languages.

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/compotrigo
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I agree. It is very dificult to create an easy lang for all. I think also it is utopic to pretend people to learn it. And there are bigger problems to solve in this world, Human Rights for example. But if I want compose a international language and I know that there are differents phonetic systems then I will try to simplify my new (had hoc) fonetic system. The Esperanto's sounds ǧ/ ǰ, c/s/z, Č/Š... can result ambiguous for many people that have not the habit of distingish them in their native language. I think that is a mistake in the Esperanto's planification.

Every person has his accent. Every person has his way of pronounce. In many languages, some Esperanto's sounds can be halophonics (without importance for the meanning). If we reduce ǧ/ ǰ to one only sign and sound, c/s/z and also Č/Š to a sound, Esperanto will be easier.

Arabic natives, for example, have only three vowels. They have many difficulties to distingish vowels' sounds in languages with five or more vowels...

I think also that we have nothing (expression capacity, beauty, poetry...) to loss if we avoid the number and case marks in adjectives.

It is only a dream. Generally, people learn a language because work needs or cultural interest. Some people, for example, love the Italian life style, Italian monuments, food... and they want learn Italian because they hope trip there. An auxlang is neutral, it has not culture.

6 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/carrots084
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Esperanto has had a culture longer than anyone on this planet right now has been alive. It's just not well known ;)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Athenicuber

ever heard of esperantido? google it.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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You mean Ido?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Athenicuber

yes. i mean Ido. thank you. danke

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jpentland
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The adjectives in Esperanto take the same ending as their noun to allow more flexibility in the word order. E.g. "La blua hundo manĝas verdajn pizojn." could also be written "La hundo blua verdajn pizojn manĝas".

Without the adjective endings it would be impossible to see that "blua" belongs to the "hundo" and "verdajn" belongs to the "pizojn". You could argue that this flexibility isn't really needed but that was the decision that was made.

You could also look into Ido which tried to solve some possible issues with Esperanto although I don't believe it actually fixes any of the things you specifically mentioned there.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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Then try an Esperantido(any variant of Esperanto). The language called Ido changes all four things which you said.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bennetrb

+1

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shanenahs

+1!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/webgovernor

This really needs to be added in my opinion. Studies consistently show that learning Esperanto BEFORE French or Spanish greatly increases the speed at which a person may learn those languages. [1]

  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto#Language_acquisition
5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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That second website (the one at vwh.net) has a few errors in it, I've learned. But its explanation of the grammar is sound, if I recall.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lohnesinpr
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I want to add this link which lists Universities in the world that teach Esperanto. China has 18, Japan has 6. Maybe English as the "universal" second language is not so universal http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/dominique-c/101113/universites-du-monde-qui-enseignent-lesperanto-la-chine-en-tete

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SydneyAndrews

I'd be pretty pumped at the addition of Esperanto.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RDTilInfinity

JES JES JES!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Topolski

I would love to learn Esperanto. Wish I knew how to speak it.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/glavkos
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You can learn also here http://en.lernu.net/

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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Per Duolingo, lerni Esperanton estos facile! :D

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/glavkos
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A way to speak Esperanto is to participate in esperantic events all over Europe or elsewhere :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ulritsch
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Update#2

Hi!

Thanks to the Incubator on Duolingo, it is now possible to create a course for a new language, so we will hopefully see Esperanto on here soon! To coordinate the efforts in creating this course, I set up a facebook page. Please join the group if you want to help and tell any of your friends who might be able to help.

Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/807335639292845

Thanks!

Ulrich

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
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Wouldn't you get more members if it wasn't a closed group?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ulritsch
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Everybody can ask to join the group if I am not completely mistaken.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Athenicuber

just joined the group.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucaspittas

Boa ideia amigo, no Brasil temos uma boa comunidade de esperanto poderia fazer esperanto para falantes de português

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Abel_Henrique

+1 Também gostaria que o Esperanto fosse incluído no Duolingo para falantes de português.

4 years ago

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