https://www.duolingo.com/jhladky

"Wir helfen keinen Menschen."

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February 8, 2013

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https://www.duolingo.com/jhladky
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Would "Menschen" is this sentence be referring to "men" or "people". Would the translation "We are not helping anybody" be a good approximation of what it is saying? Or would that be said in a different way in German.

I want to make sure I am not missing a shade of meaning. I realize "Menschen" can have various meanings. What is it most commonly used for in German?

February 8, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Menschenkind

I would even say, in this case, it means: We don't help humans. 'We are not helping anybody' seems to get the right direction, leaving alone I dislike duo's example, it sounds very unnatural to me. More exactly, your translation would fit 'Wir helfen keinem Menschen' better. Here, Mensch is singular dative case, hence keinem. In my opinion, Menschen usually is used as 'humans', people is rather 'Leute'. But that might just be me.

February 8, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Julika
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@jhladky: We are accepting "men" and "people" her for "Menschen". "We are not helping anybody" is not acceptable, because then the original sentence would have been: "Wir helfen Niemandem".

@Menschenkind: I often find that while a sentence can sound unnatural in one context, it can be very natural in another context. It is thus a matter of cognitive fixation, i.e. it depends on your current imagination.

February 8, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Menschenkind

I know. But while this might be true in many cases I even came across myself, I don't see in which context 'keinen Menschen helfen' might be appropriate. 'Wir helfen keinen Menschen' sounds like an extraterrestrial denying to help humans on the edge of extinction out of mere speciesism. If someone told me 'Wir helfen keinen Menschen, sondern Tieren', I would still give them a strange look. To me, it sounds imprudent, one way or another. Can you think of any example where this seems fitting?

(Ich möchte das auch nicht totdiskutieren und stimme deiner Aussage prinzipiell zu. Ich wollte nur darlegen, warum mir dieses Beispiel so unpassend erscheint und das liegt möglicherweise auch nur an meinem Sprachgefühl.)

February 8, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/f1r4t

shouldn't this be' keinem' ? because der menschen ?

June 29, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/clackz

should it not accept 'nobody'?

July 7, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/DexX
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Anyone care to explain why "We help nobody" is marked wrong? Seems eminently reasonable to me.

July 10, 2013
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