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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

New Features on iOS?

Earlier today I was looking through the app and found that I was not getting Lingots. I go to the store and all I see is 'Gems'. Also I see in the bottom hot bar that there is a new section 'Health'. This was very odd as I used the app about 20 minutes earlier and everything was normal. I check to see if there were any updates but I can't find anything. Has this happened to anyone else?

I have screenshots of my phone on this link http://imgur.com/gallery/xzv4L

Also my new discussion: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/18319831$comment_id=18321392

October 12, 2016

52 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hanouk2

Dear Duolingo Developers, (and forum) I'm new to Duolingo - this app was highly recommended to me as a great way to learn a language, however this health feature (like a video game) puts a serious damper on my ability to spend time learning. I think it is a really bad feature and should be removed promptly, it is not conducive to an active learning experience and I may have to go to a different app if it remains. thanks for listening!

February 9, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jimnicholson

By the way, some people see 'lingots' in the title and just downvote automatically.

Suggestion: If you changed your post title to 'New health feature on iOS' or something similar, then you would get more interest and upvotes.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal
  1. It's likely... :(
  2. Good advice, IMO.
October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

thanks

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda_from_NJ

Question: Have the downvotes devolved to a popularity contest, in which they eliminate comments once those comments receive enough negative votes?

It used to be that upvotes and downvotes were just a way of agreeing or disagreeing with other people's comments. I know that a while ago I ran across a "hidden" comment from someone who supported a "hidden" comment that I had written, but he apparently had been downvoted as well!

February 15, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

they eliminate comments once those comments receive enough negative votes?

No, in the sense that no comments nor discussions are eliminated based on votes.
Yes, in the sense that it's months (I'd say more than a year and think far more) that comments and discussions are hidden when their net total of votes is too negative.

It used to be that upvotes and downvotes were just a way of agreeing or disagreeing with other people's comments.

Upvoting are for that and to promote useful comments but I don't remember [staff ever saying] that downvotes were to be used when you disagree: they're meant for inappropriate comments, for comments giving wrong answer to other's question etc.

February 15, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jimnicholson

I believe one use of downvotes is to indicate what sort of content is welcome at Duolingo. We get a lot of posts from children, that are begging for (or offering) Lingots. I think the community is indicating that these posts are not relevant to Duolingo or language learning.

Unfortunately, I think some people don't read a post before voting, and will down vote purely based on the title. This is what I was refering to.

February 15, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda_from_NJ

I always thought that downvotes were also used to indicate that someone's guess was incorrect. I have frequently said "I think _ is correct, but I'm not sure. Anyone care to comment?" I expected to open up discussions, but some never happened. Could downvoting be why I don't see some comments I made?

February 16, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

Could downvoting be why I don't see some comments I made?

Can you see them back by clicking on all the "hidden comments"(*) gray links in the page from where they "disappeared"?

(*) the same type of links as the "4 hidden comments" link at the very bottom of this current discussion page.

February 16, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SilverCharacter

At least there should be less posts asking "what are lingots". Still, I'm kind of sad to see the name go.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

Technically the name is not gone yet, if the system doesn't work (which I hope it doesn't, it makes this application/website more pay based) they should revert to the old/current system.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

So for your account, everything in Duo Store is "gem-buyable"? Not anymore "lingot-buyable"?

I would have thought gems would be there in addition to lingots:

  • lingots for equipping Bonus Skills, Owl's suit (on apps), tec.
  • gems for things relate to what Duo calls "health".
October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

There are no lingots in the store and the only things you can buy are Health refills and Streak Freeze. Sadly just for these things you need to pay. If you buy 200 gems (currently the most possible) for £2.99 you can only buy a streak freeze three times.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

the only things [...] are Health refills and Streak Freeze

You had other things to lingot-buy on iOS app before? Time practice? Double or nothing? Time practice? Quizzes?

Sadly just for these things you need to pay.

But strengthenning makes you earn gems, no? (Cf. your screenshot).
So you can "gem-buy" health and streak freeze without real money, no?

you can only buy a streak freeze three times.

Streak freeze "gem-cost" 60 gems?

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

There was double or nothing and Duo costumes, but for a very low price.

Strengthening does give you gems but it does take a long time to get a second amount of gems.

Surprisingly yes, a one day streak freeze is quite expensive. Getting 200 gems means you can only get it 3 times (180 gems)

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jimnicholson

Just checking... but I assume you can still go to the store on the web and buy a streak freeze (for Lingots) as before? Or have they blocked that?

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

The test is only on the app.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

There was double or nothing and Duo costumes, but for a very low price.

Well, now that I think about it, the double or nothing would be a too easy way to earn gems if at the same time they rare hard to earn the other way(s). So it makes sense it'd disappear.

Duo costumes, after years they haven't been extended to web versions, so not surprising they'd disappear (and not a dramatic loss IMO ;) ).

Strengthening does give you gems but it does take a long time to get a second amount of gems.

Would you have the rate?
Like:

  • 1, 2, 5, 10, ... gem(s) earned per lesson strengthened?
  • 1, 2, 5, 10, ... gem(s) earned per skill strengthened?

Surprisingly yes, a one day streak freeze is quite expensive.

It'll make the streak have back a "real" meaning. ;)

It'll depend on the answer to my previous question but if you can earn 60 gems within 1 week (counting you spent some to unlock some lessons sooner) then it'd look like a good balancing to me.


Thx for all those answers!!

EDIT:
I was going to give you "thanks" lingots then I thought: where will they go?
Let me try to see if (as I'm pretty sure it'll be) they disappear from my account but doesn't appear on yours (until, maybe, the A/B test ends negatively: I don't believe it, Duo needs money...).

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

It's not a lesson based reward system but a sort of milestone achievement like the first lesson gives a reward, then it expands in length. But I do hate a health system that when you do one lesson it takes away 1 health, it really halts learning

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

it really halts learning

I do think it's on purpose: to avoid users to "rush" for 2 hours then don't come back during some days (or forever). It's not totally meaningless. ;)

About gaining health: you also gain them every X hours, no? (cf. your screenshot).

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

Yes, you do gain 1 every hour but one subject (e.g. basics 1) does not count as one energy but every lesson (e.g. i, you, he/she) counts as one. So if you wanted to do 2 of these you would have to wait up to 5 hours to resume, depending on the length.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

So if you wanted to do 2 of these you would have to wait up to 5 hours to resume, depending on the length.

But so everyday you gain 24 gems, no?
[Subquestion: it's 1 gem per hour per course you take? If not, it'll be hard to keep working on several courses...]
In such case you can take 4-5 lessons per day which is the average skills' length.

I really think Duo calibrated it like that exactly to try to push us to not take too much per day: "taking one skill per day is enough (more could be too much to memorize), if you really want more then work more or pay (real money)". To have more chance for us to come back the day after.

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

No, gems are only awarded at the end of a lesson at start 10 then less and far apart

October 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

But you said they were also) awarded every hour?

So every 24hours you'll have 24 gems(*)


(*) Or 24 times the number of course you're taking if it's "it's 1 gem per hour per course you take" (see my above question ;) ).

October 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

Sorry I may have made a mistake its one HEALTH an hour. (5 max)

October 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

Sorry I may have made a mistake its one HEALTH an hour. (5 max)

Oh, the "5 max" change it all (but I should have guessed it was like that: once your health is full, you don't accumulate "extra" ones, you have to "use" it first.

So the optimal use of Duo will be to come every 5 hours to take one lesson.
And sometimes taking two in a row with the few gems accumulated by finishing skills etc.

October 15, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jimnicholson

Probably an A/B test. Do you have screenshots?

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal
  • Maybe one "loses one gem" each time you answer wrongly? And one earns them at the and of each lessons?
    With "health" as in the first version of Duo where you had "3 lives" at each lessons and if at the 4th error the lesson ended and you didn't complete it.
  • Maybe they are associated with the tested version (I saw once screenshots in forums) where you have a delay (some hours) between finishing one line of skills and the unlocking of the next line?
    Maybe Duo let's you unlock it immediately for some gems?
October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

Yes

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jimnicholson

Care to share them with us?


I had a look in the user data and it is an A/B test. These are the flags:

ios_35_num_heart_segments

ios_35_gems_experiment

ios_37_gems_with_hearts_experiment

ios_39_gems_with_hearts_experiment

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

If you didn't notice, I put the pictures in the description on the top, so ou can see those, also I will make a new page on how it all works

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

Thx! I didn't notice.

So my first guess was wrong, the second (about unlocking skill/lesson) was not too much wrong. ;)

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jimnicholson

Thanks - just had a look - this is very interesting.

Awful, but interesting.

It looks like they are trying time locks again but this time you can get past them with real money.

I have given you a few more Lingots - hopefully you can use them on the web site still! :-/

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

Thanks, and luckily the website is unaffected (for now)

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda_from_NJ

What is a time lock?

February 15, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IvyDevi

I have this too, I really don't like it and I don't feel like I can spend as much time learning to listen to the words and not just read them because I'm worried I'll lose my health... and now it's 4 hours or so between new health....

January 21, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda_from_NJ

What do you mean by "between new health..." ?

February 15, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

I imagine they mean by "it's 4 hours or so between new health" that it takes them 4 hours between to refill of health.

February 16, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda_from_NJ

I don't have "health" at all. What does it do?

February 16, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jrikhal

I suggest you (re)read this whole discussion (=the OP — and its link — and all and each comments) which is exactly about that "New feature" and explains what it is and how it works. You can also wait until your account has it (which will be the case if and when this system pass its A/B test): you'll know then exactly how it works since you'll have it. ;)

February 16, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda_from_NJ

I used to give lingots away often. Now I'm not sure it's a good idea, especially if someday I may have to pay for expensive streak freezes. They are very handy. Even though I check every day as soon as I have a chance, I occasionally go twenty-five or -six or -seven hours before I sit down to duoLingo, and then I gladly pay for the convenience. I don't like the rigidity of choosing the same time every day for duo b/c I do have a life. I appreciate duo, but all these changes are NOT for the better.

February 15, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pat.M1

Made a new discussion about all the details

October 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Der-Michael

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January 31, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KenBookmye

Congratulations for being a test subject. It doesn't sound like an improvement to me but maybe it will be popular with younger users

October 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BenTheKnight

Paying real money? No thank you.

December 16, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CarolinaViking

I'm in the test on one of these. There is an option to strengthen called "earn health" where you can earn as much health as you want for free. So paying real money is not required in any way that I can see being in this test group.

January 25, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EcoFrance

Bonjour ! Qu'est ce que vous apprenez maintenant ?

June 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EcoFrance

To be fair, I don't even think younger users will, I think the whole concept is irrelevant and plain obscured

June 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iamsetsetiam

So is this horrible 'feature' (Health) limited to IOS. And if so is it all IOS users or just some?

May 4, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EcoFrance

Even if I had to pay £1 a month to help fund the app than have this ridiculous "Health" system. Are the project managers and creatives at Duolingo on crack? It's a language learning app please.

To clarify in my fortunate A/B testing experience iOS app: - Lingots are called "gems" - Gems now buy roughly 1000% less value than before - Prepared to monetise the whole app - Added Health which is the equivalant of trainer saying you can't lift more weights until you practice elsewhere or PAY me money now

I've never opened the app and felt so disappointed yet slightly stressed to learn. It's like a subtle feeling of being toyed with too.

I guess the numbers aren't on my side and I feel more sorry for those just trying Duolingo. But continue this way and I certainly could not recommend the app to anyone else. Why would I?

June 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/heavydlite

oh wow now i see what this health thing is thanks to your picture. Yeah that seems demotivating.

April 28, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Garrick227544

Apparently Duolingo does not like Apple MAC users since they only enabled Health and Gems on iOS. I'm not sure why they don't like iOS users and would use Health and Gems to discourage continued learning. The website states it helps prohibit 'binging' but what about learning from mistakes. I like the app and the approach they use to teach foreign languages but like I said, they only implemented Health for iOS which shows they are biased against iOS users. I'm currently reviewing, and encourage feedback on, AccelaStudy, iStart Spanish and Spanish Touch Trainer. If any iOS users have other suggestions for apps that don't penalize iOS users, please let us know what you've found!

October 15, 2017
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