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What ancestry is associated with the Welsh people?

Are they Irish and Scottish descent? If so, why is there a difference between the Irish language and the Welsh language? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

October 13, 2016

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https://www.duolingo.com/EllisVaughan

The, Welsh, Scotts and Irish, share a distant celtic ancestry, with the Irish and the scotts being more closely related I believe. The first split linguistically that I know of was the split of insular celtic, into Goidelic and Brittonic. Goidelic then spawned Old Irish and then Modern Irish and Scotts Gaelic (I'm probably skipping out a few steps here). On the other hand Brittonic then also broke up into (and I can be more specific for this one), Northern brittonic and Southern brittonic. Northern Brittonic then broke into Welsh and Cumbric(extinct), and Southern Brittonic into Cornish and Breton (once again skipping some steps here). So in short, no the Welsh and the Welsh language are not descended from Irish or Scottish peoples, instead it's more of a cousin relationship.

October 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/corvusalbus

The Welsh and Irish are apparently genetically similar to the Basques. People from the Atlantic coast repopulated the British Isles after the last ice age between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/basque-ing-in-welsh-dna-2281798

October 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/ibisc

After thousands of years of trading and socialising and fighting we probably all come from everywhere!

There have been some interesting theories developed over the past 10-20 years about how the language came about as a result of trading and travel - look up 'Celtic from the West'. The ideas have come about by combining recent advances in archaeology, linguistics and genetics. They have yet to make it into many commonly available sources - it is easier for people to recycle older ideas than to make the effort to read into newer material.

Bear in mind that a lot of interaction was around coastal maritime routes rather than across land, and certainly between the British west coasts and the Mediterranean area.

The idea of 'Wales' or 'England', etc is a relatively recent one.

October 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Katred2

Ultimately, I believe all the Celtic groups are descended from the Hallstatt culture of Central Europe. That group spread across northeastern Europe and finally settled in the British isles. Celtic groups on the continent were eliminated by later waves of later immigrants and invaders. The only confirmed Celtic group in continental Europe at the moment is the bretons, who actually arrived later, from Cornish people crossing the from southern England to escape waves of invaders.

October 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Arthfoel

It is quite possible, perhaps probable that the Welsh spoken today contains elements of words derived from trading with the Halstatt culture in central Europe, also the Celto-Iberians, the belgae and the Gaulles. The welsh for salt is Halen and not derived from the latin Sal...

The Halstatt culture was a trading culture (primarily based on Salt) and the language was Celtic in the sense that Celtic was an original dialect of Indo-European, alongside the other dialects - Germanic, Slavic etc. The success of the Halstatt culture (also worth referring to the related Urnfeld and la Tene cultures at different time periods in history) led to most of Europe speaking Celtic languages, but it is difficult to say whether cultures and peoples were the same. Also Celtic languages would very probably have already been present in Northern Europe long before the Halstatt period, perhaps long before the iron age and perhaps even before the bronze age. Nothing was written down, so we might never know.

Halstatt implements have been found in Wales (the Llyn Fawr hoard), so linquistically there will have been a lot of linquistic links and interplay across Europe from the mediteranean to the Northern parts of the British Isles. Place names, river names and topology all link to many linquistic similarities from the south of Italy to quite far north in Scotland and from Turkey to the iberean peninsula.

It is a big jump to say that this was one people and one culture, because in reality it was probably a lot of different European peoples and cultures that traded and shared a lot of linquistic similarities - their languages were Celtic, but cultures and practices may have varied considerably .

Celtic groups weren't really eliminated - the languages and cultures have changed, but the peoples didn't suffer some sort of apocalyptic dissaperance. Many Gaulles, who called themselves celts, later became latin speaking Gallo-Romans.

October 26, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/CT_DragonicGamer

I asked my dad yesterday, I am of Scottish, Irish, French, and Welsh decent. Welsh are apparently people that live in Wales(I'm not sure if I spelled that right) Thank you everyone for helping out!

October 14, 2016

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Why would the Welsh have to be descended from the Irish and Scottish?

The Scotish and Irish Celtic languages descended from Old Irish but Welsh descended from Old Britonic (together with Cornish and modernday Breton), so is quite different from the Scotish and Irish languages.

October 13, 2016
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