What will happen after the update?
If you didn't know, Duolingo has made a test on a newer version of its app.
There will be a new system of health. Whenever you take a lesson, you lose one health. You have a 5 health maximum and it takes 1h to regain 1 health. There is a way around it, by paying with gems. (To get the gems required you will need to finish 4 subjects, or pay)
Gems: Duolingo could stop making lingots and replace it for 'gems'. The double or nothing bet is now gone and so are the Duo costumes. You can simply buy Health refills (35) or a one day streak freeze (60). You get gems either by completing one subject (for around 10 gems) or by paying for gems with real money. These gems are quite expensive (40 for £0.79 and 200 for £2.99). By paying £3 you can only buy a streak freeze three times. Instead of adding more tools to practice with, they changed the currency. This is quite a useless update. Lets hope the test goes poorly.
Here is an extra image: http://imgur.com/mnRn8Xw See my last post for the other images.
They should copy the "League of Legends" strategy by only monetizing non-gameplay elements like skins, outfits etc. Considering that Duolingo exists because of volunteers, they shouldn't be too aggressive in their monetization. I think the idea of limiting lessons to those who do not pay is reprehensible.
My advice to you is to create a new account (until) you are no longer in this trial. Vote with your feet.
I have no issue with them making a profit but I don't think it's right for them to misrepresent themselves and double-cross volunteers. If they are true to their core values they will not limit access.
They should put skins that are either on a rota (like LoL) and you have to pay for skins not on rota, or just pay for cosmetic items like Duo items.
This sounds like the worst sort of pay per play mobile games and looks like it would act as a bar to education rather than an incentive. There are already too many people talking about "playing" Duolingo.
This sort of thing is only ever acceptable if there is an alternative one time only payment for a premium version with none of this nonsense included.
I agree, this should not be made into a nonsensical game with micro-transactions, I think it should stay as a means of education, also the removal of double or nothing, really means they won't want to stay and learn for longer.
Agreed. I'll pay a one time fee of 10 or 15 dollars to use duolingo on my phone. I will be beyond pissed if I can only do one lesson an hour.
Exactly. I was tempted to pay to remove ads, but $10/month was a bit steep for what Duolingo offers, especially since I feel I need to supplement with external resources. If Duolingo was a more all in one solution, I may consider it worth $10/month.
If Duolingo keeps going this direction, I'll stop using it.
Here are some ideas that I think Duolingo could use to monetize that I'd be willing to pay:
- one time cost per course to eliminate ads indefinitely (maybe $5/course) or pay with lingots for a day without ads (heavier users are more likely to recommend it, so you're making money through referrals)
- paid add ons (chat with a native speaker, short stories, videos)
- physical study items (flash cards, labels)
Those are just some ideas off the top of my head that would add to the experience instead of charging for what's currently free.
I have LOVED to learn Italian from Duolingo. In three months I have used any spare minute to learn. I LOVE it!!! However, Duolingo has presented a new feature with the latest update: YOU NEED HEALTH TO PRACTISE"!!!!
And, you lose health by making failures! The only way to regain health is to wait a certain amount of time - or to buy very expensive "lingers"!!!
I am hearing impaired! I do hear, but I often fail with the listen exercises!!! How would I ever be able to keep up my "health" to keep on learning???
It is SO discouraging and I believe it will be the death of Duolingo! As far as I have seen around the internet, there is not ONE single positive reaction to the health feature!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remove it again! It is ONE completely bad idea ruining the very best language learning program online!
I am SO disappointed!!!
Thank you for your time!
Disable listening excercises? I think you can do that on any of the platforms.
Yes - I keep getting kicked off and told to wait until my health improves-then I can't practice to improve my health - it's crazy
I agree, this is the wrong message. Doing lessons should make you stronger. If they are going to stick with this lousy plan, they should be upfront about it and say that lessons cost gems.
I hope not! I love lingots! Or I at least don't want them replaced with "gems"
I know right? I feel like lingot actually has to do with language learning, and it's unique to duolingo!
I don't know why they'd get rid of the name and replace it with a generic currency, if you look at the way it looks, its the same but black/white
I will go try out Mango at the local library. Duo is a decent program and I don't mind clicking through ads but tiny cards and bots are not enough of an improvement to justify paying for usage. Especially given the lack of any skill development after the tree is finished since they dropped immersion
My school started to use this, and many classmates who are using phones/iPads instead of computers are finding this, which frustrates them and the teacher because if the teacher wants to spend one day a week doing the entire period with duolingo, the ones who finish quickly have nothing to do when they use up all their lessons. They won't be paying for them, either. This is maybe the worst idea Duolingo has had in a while
But it looks like you can also earn gems by practicing weak skills. http://imgur.com/gallery/xzv4L
That sounds like a good idea to me.
Clearly they want to encourage people to solidify things they've learned instead of charging through all the lessons. So they're limiting how many new lessons you can do and then encouraging you to practice old skills first. Granted, that can be a bit annoying, but I guess that's why it's a limited rollout. They really ought to be more open about that to their users. Can be a bit surprising to see the exact same version of the app behave differently on different devices.
And at the same time they're trying to keep their business afloat by making some money. Can you blame them? I would imagine this means their idea of monetizing Duolingo by using crowdsourced translation isn't going as well as they thought it would... I also noticed they started offering you the ability to restore your streak by paying money. Who would even do that? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of a streak?
Nah, I was given a practice of week 1 lessons, far too easy and nothing from the module I failed.
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Adding my two cents here... Please, please, please discontinue this test! I don't understand the gem system. I miss the lingots. I miss the double or nothing wager. I'm not sure if you still get the bonus lingots/gems when you get your streak to 10, 20, 30 days, etc. I don't understand why I have to choose a chest when I reach my daily goal, and the streak freeze got way more expensive.
On some level, I understand the creators wanting to have some financial transaction from this... maybe have the option to buy lingots and call it a day? Maybe build in the translation section to the lessons so more people do it? (Like before you unlock the next section, you have to do part of a translation?) I love DuoLingo and have used it for years but keeping the streak up is my primary motivator to remember to do my lessons day in and day out. Make that difficult and I, too, might call it quits on Duo and his adorable little costume. BRING BACK THE LINGOTS.
This seems like a standard monetization technique that gaming apps use.
There's not really a good way to offer a free service and to cover overhead expenses without injecting some kind of annoyance. If this means there's a possibility for more challenging levels I'm all for it.
But if this is the direction they're going in, they should also offer the option to buy something that frees you from having to use "gems". Like a key or something for £10
I think just having the option of using money would also give them money because although you wouldn't need to use it, you could use it for customization
This is terrible! It's even much worse than the old heart system used to be! It's hard enough to stay motivated without being penalized for mistakes!
I downloaded Duolingo for my daughter and she got this horrible new version. She's young and can easily become discouraged. It's the opposite of what you want if the goal is to help learn a new language. How do I get her out of this health-based system?
Edit: I tried recreating accounts multiple (many!) times in hopes of getting slotted out of the experiment, but to no avail. Has anyone successfully created an iOS account without the new health system recently?
Please, everyone, write your complaints to this address also: firstname.lastname@example.org
My daughter also has this problem. She sees me using this app all the time and asked to get it. She took Spanish in an after school program several years ago and wanted to start learning before she took it in High School. The version that she got on her iphone has some poorly thought out health system. She did three lessons and then ran out of health. Now she has tried to use it a few other times and quickly runs out of health. She is very frustrated and has given up on it. But she still looks over my shoulder when I am using it. She has said on more than one occasion that she wished she had the same Duoling app as I do. This was a VERY poorly thought out design choice.
After my first experience with this update I can say I am not a fan. My opinion of Duolingo just dropped. I hope it is not here to stay.
I did post a couple of negative comments about the update, but now I find it more motivating than the old version. It took me a while to see how it worked. My initial fear was that I had to pay for lessons every time I made a few mistakes, that wasn't the case, I just had to click on practice to earn health. The gems thing is quite a motivator, you can earn them despite making errors. Overall I am still a big fan of duolingo, and just love that it is free and fun.
Nobody liked the original hearts system because you died and had to start all over again. The progress bar update was great because you could do the same lesson over and over, sometimes finishing quickly, sometimes taking longer. This new system is very frustrating as you have less control over your learning. Sometimes I feel like doing new lessons, other days I like to practice old skills. Now I am straitjacketed into practicing as soon as I fail a new lesson. This would be fine if it weren't for the fact that you then forget everything from the new lesson. Learning is reduced to a crawl, when it used to be a steady pace. A very, very poorly thought out update. Email email@example.com to complain.
I really think they should keep it the way it is! I think it's fine as it is, they should add some more costumes and stuff you could use lingots on instead!
Their desperation to "not charge" for the app while obviously needing money is starting to wear a bit thin.
Clearly they need money. Why can't they, like Memrise, just give people that are willing to pay an opportunity to do so? The Premium features on Memrise aren't really any help at all. But they aren't the point - I can give them £40ish a year or whatever it is and don't mind doing so when I use the app so much.
I don't get it. I've been using duolingo for only about a week, and I don't have gems (thankfully). Meanwhile, just today I tried pressing the new account button a few times just to test this out, and every time I pressed it I got gems. What's going on? Also, wouldn't "100% free" be false advertising now to new users?
I just tried making a new account since I have been reading all these comments about gems and health (which I luckily don't have) and the new account did not have gems. I was using a computer (Mac) not the app on a phone. Could that have been why?
So what now? I came on this thread because my boyfriend's DL was different. He was confused by me talking about lingots, and I didn't know what he was talking about when he said he ran out of "health." Does anyone know if he can somehow revert to the old system? I don't want him to be limited by 'health" and I want to be able to give him lingots ...
He can click to "earn health" and do a bit of review to charge things back up quickly. Not ideal, but it's there and doesn't require spending lingots.
What about a new user who is diligently doing their lessons and all are full strength? As far as I can tell, the only options left are to wait or pay. :(
"if it ain't broke don't fix it!" Why destroy a good thing? I've enjoyed Duolingo and have found it fun. Now I don't understand the system: gems, health? Give us back the lingots. Yes, I' too am about ready to switch to another system of learning.
Opened my app this morning and this update was rolled out.
Well done, you ruined my learning experience.
Totally destroys my style of learning. I prefer to make lots and lots of mistakes as this allows to get to the bottom of issues. Now, as soon as the learning gets useful, game over.
Terrible update - literally terrible.
Health sucks. I got distracted in front of the TV and burned through all my health before finishing one lesson. It appears not to be one bar per lesson. Memrise it is.
I am so sad about this new update. I often pay a repair bill, only because I feel it is a language learning app worth paying for. Then came the ads and since the update we now have to pay for gems to continue learning. The end of an era for me. I am switching to Memrise and Michel Thomas, the latter is better value than a regular £4.99 to continue with Duolingo (but not as fun.)
This is terrible. I'm trying to learn a language, not play a video game. I work a lot and this is the best way to get a lesson in. Now I have to worry about my health and how much coins I have. I am definitely leaving, if this change is here to stay. Sad day.
I just got the health tab, and now my learning has ground to a halt. I was doing great, but this added way to get money out of me is a real turnoff. If you need money...sell me an ad free experience with a specific language for $10 or something. But for now, I'm going to find another way to learn German.
Well I think this will be the end of me on duo, I'd paid quite a few times to recover a good streaks. I will not pay for lives, I'll go get a language teacher instead!
You forgot to mention that it costs gems to test out of single skills. (Although, not to test out of entire checkpoints. Interesting.)
I have a screenshot to support this, but I'm not entirely sure how to share it here.
By one mistake I lose one health, it takes 5 hours per mistake to regain . To bad and it does not work for me. In every new lesson I easily got 5 failures so it would become hard to finish one lesson at day or I should buy, buy and buy. In that case I better spent my money for a course Dutch - Spanish.
Completely agree, de and het in Dutch are a nightmare for natives as there is no rule. One simple mistake and bang, down a life.
Like many people here I am horrified by the new update. I understand the introduction of single page adverts and memberships as a form of fundraising for the site however I feel this is too far. I have no idea how limiting the amount of lessons that can be worked on is supposed to promote language learning. As someone who is away from home a lot, I tend to do a lot of lessons at once some days and just two or three on others which is incompatible with the update. I am so glad I noticed the update on my iPad before I updated my phone or it's likely I would have just given up on Duolingo (and probably learning Swedish altogether).
This update is the worst thing they've ever done. Completely ruins the fun of Duolingo. I'm going to be looking into Babbel now as an alternative. This update has ruined Duolingo. I won't be recommending the app anymore.
Nope, lingots are the best... Truly speaking it actually motivates me to study more. These gems sounds like a really bad idea. I wish duolingo would not change that. This will seem really bothersome to new members and the old one will probably lose interest.
I've been studying French on the wonderful application it used to be for a while now. Without even updating it, my beloved lingots were transferred to gems. I know I can use the computer to learn, but I prefer the app. I hope the people at Duolingo know that I'll be using it far less frequently.
First it started with the adverts after the lessons. I thought, "fine, I can deal with that", even if some of the ads were definitely seedy. I think one was for Asian women wanting to find a white husbands.
Then the health system came long. It's essentially Duolingo's form of microtransactions and it is disgusting. I was using the app mainly to help with my French learning as it was relaxing and engaging method to learn, and now it feels like I HAVE to do well in order to complete the lesson. They've turned it into a chore.
I'm sure this method works for a small number of people, but from the vast amount of complaints on the forums, it outnumbers the people who don't benefit from this health system. I'll be using the pc version from now, until they'll inevitably to ruin that too. I'd suggest anyone who can, rate the app badly on the app store/itunes store. For some reason it says I do not own the app so I'm not able to rate it.
I too am not a fan of the new "Health" system. We all have different ways of learning and the new system only allows for one way. It does not work well for me and I may have to discontinue using the App. Please reconsider and allow for a toggle to turn off the Health app.
If you changed lingots to gems what is the difference? (1 lingot=100 gems?) and yes I agree the update is horrible it makes it so much harder to do a lesson since you only have five wrong tries to finish the lesson almost like testing out of skills..... For now I'm sticking to the website.
I hope that's a joke. That health stuff is the kind of thing that could make me stop using Duolingo.
Indeed, I think it would be the best way for them to kill Duolingo :P. Certainly if you take into consideration that Duolingo already is on borrowed time: any moment a good open-source alternative could pop-up. So Duolingo should make sure it's focus is in the right place or it will be RIP Duolingo somewhere in the future. The health thing seems a bit like a bully method for getting money thus would negatively impact the feelings of it's users towards Duolingo.
I hate this new update! I usually get this message when I take too long to finish a lesson on my iPhone. This frequently happens when I work on a lesson sporadically throughout the day. The option to complete one or two questions whenever I have a few seconds is one of Duolingo's most attractive features. I can answer a question or two while waiting for my lunch date to arrive, while using the bathroom, or while waiting for a lengthy computer download to complete, or during a myriad of other situations. If I have to find 15-30 consecutive minutes to complete a section, then I will not be able to use Duolingo as often. Since I first saw the message, I have been trying to understand why Duolingo is doing this. It does not motivate me to learn; it does give me thoughts about finding some other software that will let me learn on my own schedule.
My best guess is that the Duolingo team is in great need of money to continue operating while keeping their promise to provide the software at no charge to students. The addition of advertising was the first step. This is another way to get financial help from students.
I am completely sympathetic with Duolingo's need for money to continue to operate. I would rather they provide some extra learning opportunity at a reasonable cost, without taking away the ability to use the core software for free. For example, why not charge for the special idiom and flirting sections, or for some courses in literature or newspapers, or for videos of real people in real conversations (with written transcripts and translation). I truly hope Duolingo will drop this idea of charging us for taking more time to complete a lesson, and instead find some attractive feature that many students would be happy to purchase.
Alternatively I think they could ask dedicated students such as myself to for donations. I would be much happier with making a voluntary donation than I am with the "out of energy" gimmick.
I'm not sure if any developers at Duolingo read these boards, but since there's no meaningful way to give feedback...
I've been using Duolingo for nearly a year now, and am planning a trip abroad next year. I've been speaking highly about Duolingo to the folks we will be travelling with, and tonight, one of them decided to download the app.
I was unaware of the A/B testing until my friend starting asking me questions about health, etc., which confused me. We eventually figured it out. Now, my friend likes to "make their best guess" in the lesson even if he/she isn't entirely sure, which means often getting it wrong, particularly when just starting out. (Pedagogically, this isn't such a bad idea.) I think this is especially true when first starting out, when you're still sorting out rules for articles, etc.
Now, this costs you a health bar- and as a new learner, my friend uses up his health pretty quick. The app is constantly asking him to purchase more health. Consequently, my friend does not consider this a "free app"- and is actually kind of peeved at me over it. (Having watched him, it's actually worse than most other "freemium" apps- it'd be better if he didn't guess so much, but again, there is something to be said for "Make your best guess".) To placate him, I had to show him that the app on my phone isn't like that!
Reading through these forums, I'm not quite sure how the review lessons work to give health- it seems to still use health when you make a mistake in review...??? I've told him to try the review lessons, but I think Duolingo has lost him for good.
(On a personal note, as someone who likes to go back and redo old lessons for review sometimes, I find the thought of the health bars that get used up when doing a lesson quite disappointing. For example, if I know I've been forgetting the days of the week I'll just go do those lessons again for a quick review on that topic. Similarly, if I'm on lesson 5/8, I sometimes like to do lessons 1-4 again as a quick review of my recently learned vocabulary.)
I've given the only feedback I can- by marking in the survey that I'm unlikely to recommend it to a friend. This is honest because I feel like I can't, particularly based on my actual friend's experience. If it rolls out to my account, Duolingo will probably lose me as well. However, I also wanted to publicly explain, in hopes that the developers will rethink this.
I really hope the developers listen to you. I was going to suggest my students try Duolingo over the summer break for extra help/ fun. I will not recommend it. My experience of using it so far is very discouraging, paying for my language mistakes is anathema. They got this update so wrong
I opened the app today to find that there was a "Health" icon. When you get an answer wrong it takes away from your "health." After 5 wrong answers you cannot move on. Switching languages does not affect health either. Once you lose health you have to complete old exercises or wait several hours.
This is not going to help my learning at all, if fact, I feel like it will drastically slow or even stall my progress. I am working on 3 languages and only do the exercises when I have a free minute, which is not often.
I suggest being able to turn the health off, or using it as part of a more challenging mode for those who have the time and drive. Duolingo was great, this update is a major step back in my opinion.
If they really want to make money they should be upfront and have you purchase each language, with current users "grandfathered-in" for the languages they've already started.
I got "upgraded" today and I have to say, this sucks. I make mistakes when learning new things, probably like many others, but sometimes stupid "fat thumb" mistakes like hitting "done" when I mean to hit backspace (iphone). On two occasions learning new material today I exhausted my 5 health bars before finishing different exercises and had to start them over after practicing. I also noticed that you cant "strengthen" a skill to practice anymore. You have to use the dedicated practice to get credit for it. There is no way I am paying for an app that does this to me.
Adding to rant... In Dutch, adjectives inflect based on a few simple rules, of course Duolingo does NOT teach these rules or even suggest their existence, other than testing you on it when you are first faced with adjectives. I am sure you all know that duolingo does this kind of thing everywhere and we need some kind of grammar guide and a decent dictionary handy. But you aren't warned when this type of thing comes up and poof, you're down 5 health bars and in need of 5 practice sessions or $3.99 to move any farther. I am not happy.
I agree, the tips section of each lesson needs to be available on phones. I simply can't imagine trying to learn a new language with no access to grammar information before, during, or after. :(
The health "upgrade" is TOTALLY frustrating - I don't want to use Duolingo anymore!!! When practicing, I was so scared to lose health, that I couldn't concentrate on learning!!!! I use to do 3 parts of 1 skill every day. Today I managed to do 1 and 2 questions of the next one before I lost my Heath!!!! DUOLINGO: Of course you do mistakes when you learn!!! And now you punish us for that??? It's too bad!!! And then after, I could "claim my reward" for having practiced, and 3 chests appeared among which I could chose 1. I actually felt stomach pain because I was desperate to get more gems, so I could continue practicing!!! And how lucky I was??? My chest contained TEN gems!!! TEN!!! And one needs 350 to regain "health". Geeeze!!! This is the "worst upgrade" EVER!!! Does anyone have suggestions for other language apps??? I will begin to look for another one NOW!!! Goodbye Duolingo. I used to love you, but you have lost your magic!
I was stuck with my german lesson for days, I finished a bunch of times and it just go back to the begining, then I redownloaded the app and what? what the heck is the health staff? worse i still cannot move on to the next chapter, luckily i finished the lesson on web and finally i don't have to do it again, but the app is just so annoying now.
They should have built the discussion forum on the app which would be more helpful, but they are making it worse. I really love the app, i just don't get it.
I got updated and am really disappointed. It seems only the mobile ap is using health and gems. Confusing. At first, I thought that by practicing so as to not have a subject need strengthening for a month, I was getting gems. I was in fact, spending them. I spent them down until there were not enough to lock in a subject.
Then I got the message about making a mistake means "less health." What a terrible feeling that is. From fun to stress in a sentence. I started using Duolingo about six weeks ago and have been having so much fun. Now I'm a bit soured. It seems the online version still uses "Lingots" I unlocked my remaining bonus skill right away before I have to pay for it. Really bad update, badly communicated, and badly handled. I'm sad.
Thought I'd drop in my two cents on the matter - I've only ever used duolingo with this update and it doesn't bother me at all (whereas both best friend -Welsh- and boyfriend -German- both haven't got the update). At first I just thought Italian was taught differently but then I came here to see that it was an update and others arnt happy.
You'll have to forgive me, as I never used the previous version. I only find the health frustrating when I'm close to completing a lesson and I make a silly mistake. I quite like returning to the practice mode and covering back over what I've already learnt as it helps to secure words and simple phrases in my mind, I don't struggle to remember as much because I've learnt them so much that I've overlearnt the words and they no longer need translating or consideration, they're just a normal part of my vocabulary.
I might feel different if I'd tried the previous version but you know... can't have everything
I guess I have to be lucky I'm still in the 'old' version of the app. I don't think I will use the app when I will have the healtbar, etc. I don't want to be punished for making typos and mistakes. And I want to practice when I want, not only when Duolingo refilled healt after (...) hours. :-(
I don't know why they are reverting back to the old system with the hearts. it's really painful. I and my mother find it much better if they got rid of the heart system and just left it as it was before the big update.
My app just presented this horrors scene to me this morning with NO UPDATE. I did not. Update my app. I hate it. Let's protest because this is supposed to be a FREE app that encourages people to learn. And now you're limited af. Seriously? Everyone flock to the not-so-convenient-on-mobile-devices web version because apparently, the HEALTH BAR ain't there. If it rears its ugly head on the web page, Duolingo can kiss my ass goodbye.
If they want money for their app, let's first see the grammar lessons in the iOS version. Get your priorities straight, duolingo.
Does anyone from Duolingo even read this? Perhaps griping here is not the most efficient form of communication...
They sure do, if their marketing department is worth its salt. Another thing is what they do with the wealth of information we are giving them. Who knows about their real strategic goals?
How confusing. And I seem to have gems on the app, and lingots online. Silly move.
I have this new version on my iPad and the regular version on my phone. I have to agree with everyone else commenting that this update seems terrible so far. Typos, silly mistakes, big thumbs, and forgotten seimhiu's and uru's aside, I have often given answers that Duo eventually adds to its correct list. While I understand they had to pick a dialect to teach, I resent that this will now penalize me for not using the "standard" dialect of Irish taught on Duo. I've been using Duo for over 2 years (every day for the past 409) and have recommended it as a great starting point for learners. If this sticks, I would be more inclined to steer them towards another site (i.e. isfeidirliom.ie).
I posted to another thread before finding this one that explains more aspects of the gems. One thing I'm noticing is that the gem system feels different for me than for some of those posting because I am using DuoLingo to keep two language trees all gold rather than moving through the trees for the first time. The note that follows is from the perspective of someone using the app to stay in the gold.
I really do not like the gems. Probably because I use the computer with Lingots and the app where I've been moved to gems, the daily gems reward is unreliable about giving any reward for daily goal completion. I prefer to see my Lingots grow as a symbol of accomplishment. (I think the only things I have bought are the idiom and flirting lessons, and I don't game my Lingots with the double or nothing nor my streaks with streak freeze.) The new variable reward system with gems takes away that motivation.
NOTE: The posts I've read don't mention the variability to the reward system. Most days when I complete my daily goal on the app, I get three treasure boxes from which to choose. So far, I have gotten 10, 20 or 30 gems (20 and 30 only once each) when I tap a box. As far as I know, this is the only activity giving me gems.
The gem-denominated prices under this new currency are also high enough to be demotivating. While my health has remained full since I was moved to gems, I feel like that health symbol is there threatening me and encouraging me to "cheat" by buying health instead of earning it.
I can't put my finger on why these changes bother me so much, but I am now avoiding the app when I can and completing lessons on the computer, whereas I used to really enjoy the app.
Separately, I love that the computer version will give me verbal translation exercises not available on the phone.
It's really terrible. Not to mention that the different versions of the apps on different devices, which makes it even more confusing. I have this "achievements" thing on a tablet, but not on ny phone or online. I have extra lessons avalable online, but not in my phone or tablet. I really wish they would just stay consistent.
I wouldn't mind the health system if it was easy to bring it back, or if it was only tied to that one lesson, so if you lose all your hearts you maybe have to do it again or something (kind of like the old system before the progress bar). I think what I'm mainly annoyed with is the gems, I don't see why they couldn't just keep it as lingots. I wouldn't even care if they made it so you could pay for them as long as you can get them without paying. Also I find it kind of weird that the browser version is still with the old system, no complaints from that, but it would be nice if they were at least more connected. It feels like they're kind of abandoning the browser version.
This is so annoying. I love learning Spanish with Duolingo but this ridiculous "health" business is just plain irritating when I am trying to progress on my own, reviewing what I know I need to review, and it forces me to "get health". I WISH it hadn't changed! It's NOT an improvement.
This sucks so much, it's a bit greedy, I would get Duolingo+ if it was $0.99 or $1.99 and had more features and Premium Lessons, but I still want 90% of them to be free.
They have absolutely destroyed the app with the update. It is insane 5 strikes and you are out. If they atleast had made it worse before completing unusable so I didn't need to stop learning. All should go and rate the new upgrade 1 star on Apple Store.
This is ridiculous - doesn't even explain what is going on. Am I being charged for this "health" stuff? The health thing could make me stop using Duolingo and I am seriously thinking about it right now.
Yes to this response and also to TeriGerm's comments! This health thing is crazy - I can't compete any lessons and when I do have time, I am shut down in the middle of a session and it doesn't save my progress so I am caught in a continual loop of repetition.
Guys, honestly I always believe that this was one of the best apps I have ever seen. I have recommend you app to at least 200 people ( I am a language teacher); I always presume you as a great, workable, fun and cool way to learn. But this new update of yours has absolutely take everything else down. It is not fun but rather annoying and stressful to use Duolingo now days. Guys a lot of people would gladly pay a download fee even if it was quite costly for using your app. But this health thing, is seriously shadowing your great previous job and name. I hope this is a temporary test and you will eventually remove this feature; or I personally belive you will naturally loose a very considerable amount of subscribers and people who recommend you. Thanks for the good times and best regards. JC
What's the current status of this? I'm a non iOS user so I can't check myself.
I read this discussion but for some reason it wasn't clear. If it takes one hour to gain one health and there are 24 hours in a day, wouldn't you gain 24 health every day? Or do you have to do something during each of those hours to gain the health? Or is there a limit always of 5 health. Or...?
The costumes are on the app. Health refills must be new and part of an a/b test. Updates are simply updates to the app software.
you gain health for free by practicing doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. Instead of just jumping stupidly from lesson to lesson without practicing. And you can practice conversation with some bots which looks like a nice novelty. If you don't like it you can just go on the pc there duolingo hasn't changed
I think it changes cost based on how rich you are. My streaks freeze cost 200 gems. DUMB!
This health idea fills me with foreboding. I put in wrong answers all the time, very often deliberately. I find making errors a very fruitful learning method. I am not a binge user. I am a heavy user and I have not missed a single day in 300 days. I fervently hope that you do NOT introduce this health idea. I would have to seriously consider cancelling my subscription and going elsewhere, as much as I would hate to do so.
I have been using Duolingo to keep my Spanish and French trees golden for some time, and I didn't really understand health. I now get that reviewing rebuilds health, and it's impossible to lose health while reviewing, and keeping trees gold is all reviewing. But about three weeks ago, I started Italian, and now I get it.
I wish that you were only slowed down by health status on new lessons when you had existing lessons that were no longer gold. In other words, require review when the system determines that skills need reviewing, but not at other times. I like to re-gold any Spanish and French skills that are flipped, along with previously completed Italian skills that are flipped before starting new Italian lessons. That is standard pedagogical practice: review before new material. However, reviewing before new material when health starts out full means your review does not assist with your health status. I don't enjoy all of the new monetization features, but I understand the need for them. I do not like that the monetization system discourages review prior to new material, or that it stops progress when Duolingo's skill strength algorithms have not determined that review is needed. That said, I think I have only once run out of health before I was otherwise ready to close the app.
My suggestion to DuoLingo would be to have a more nuanced health status that takes into consideration skill strength on previously completed skills. In other words, require review only when it is needed, and encourage review prior to new material.