I'd love if Duolingo added Romani. After so much hate and persecution, I feel like they deserve to be recognized somewhere. Romani is the language of the Gypsies. I'm surprised nobody mentioned this before, however I feel like all the hate for them is going to eventually take a toll, and it their language will disappear. I just hope they can make a Romani course.
Romani is a very interesting language since it belongs in the Indo-Aryan branch of Indo-Europeans languages, which means that it's more closely related to languages like Hindi and Persian than languages like English and Spanish even though Romani is spoken in Europe. That, and the fact that Romani people have gotten so much hate and persecution, is a good reason to teach it on Duolingo.
Today Romani is full of words from so called 'contact languages'. Mainly the languages of countries where Roma live. Old elements are from the road. Meaning the countries Roma travelled through to today's home. Enroute languages are sure Greek and Serbocroat. Probably Persian Kurdish and for sure the mighty Ottoman language Türkish.
Interesting movie on line youtube and dvd shops is Tony Gatlif: Lacho Drom; music movie about the "GOOD ROAD" from India to Europe.
Hi, I've added this to the [Guide] I would like a new course: What should I do?. Thanks to dragonpolyglot for the heads up, and to Levipolasak for this post :)
It would be amazing if Duolingo could add a Romani/Romany course. Doesn't matter which dialect! As many dialects as possible! It may be hard for Duolingo to develop the course, but there are already other online resources that have short courses , including Memrise (e.g., East Slovak dialect) and Romaninet.com.
Also, the term 'Gypsy' is often considered derogatory. The preferred term is Roma (as in the Roma people).
Kalderash is popular I think, I have a study book in it. In Helsinki University there have been some Slovak doctoral 'students' who have been teaching us East Slovak Romani. Great thanks to them! Two good things about East Slovak Romani: 1) It is an officially codified language 2) I think it is very centrally located language when thinkin were the Roma live today. Hope to hear more!
Really? and do you know some words? I'm gypsy but I'm from Spain and we lost our language, there are some words that I know and we called it Caló. I would like you can teach me
I nearly understand Roma. İ just have been too lazy lately. Now I had fun with Duolingo English for Turkish speaking and Turkish for English speaking. Roma have been living under Ottoman rule for a long time, so I have tried to collect familiar words from Duolingo. Fun! Words like pantelon, saat, şapka, sari, mahal, gelo, dikkat, sifir, çorba.
I don't know them xD hahahah Do you know Pani? i think it is a near word from there, it means water
Pani bari is the big water, the ocean ;) From Caló (meaning black) we have many words that are in use in modern Spanish, like chaval=kid; curro=work; camelá=love; parné (white) = money (silver); acáis=eyes; chungo=nasty, bad; gili=silly; jeta=face; múi=mouth; pinré=foot; jiñá=poop; chingáo=broken, F'ed up; galochí=heart; menda=myself; mangá=beg, steal; mengue=deamon; chola=head, and many many more in current use, especially in Andalusia and in big cities all over Spain. There was an effort to teach a simplified version of Romani in Spain called Romanó Caló, but not much has been heard of it lately.
Baró (adj) = big, excellent; paní (n)=water. So it's the big water, the ocean, but the adjective should agree with the noun. Paní is feminine so it should be barí. The article is i for feminine and o for masculine. So "i paní barí". But "o gadjó (gachó) baró" = The big non-roma guy, the head honcho, the big man/dude.
my mother's side of the family are rroma who escaped the holocaust. i would love to be able to learn a more fluent form of rromani chib so that i can get in touch with my roots. right now most courses are just basics or dictionaries.
I feel like there are a lot of dialects and no standard, so that might be hard, but I'd be all for it!
Yes, I think it might be impossible at this point for a Gypsy from Romania to understand a Gypsy from Serbia or Hungary.
Accents and foreign borrowings may make mutual comprehension difficult but there's the base vocabulary that all dialects pretty much share, and Caló retains also. Sinti, Gurbeti, Kalderash are the main varieties I'd say with the largest group of speakers throughout the world being Kalderash Rhoma. One major difference is how to pronounce the title of the famous Rhoma song Gelem Gelem, some say Jelem Jelem, others Ghelem Ghelem and some follow an older pronunciation as Ghelyom Ghelyom. The e/o distinction could be called super-dialect branches into which other dialects fall into.
There is a base vocabulary of around 1K words which are from Indic roots and there's early Greek vocab that can be thought of as part of that shared base. On top of that base there are many regional borrowings, but the foundation of the language is there and is pretty much shared by dialects. Some dialects have lost some root words, others retain more archaic forms. But there is enough there for a base standard upon which a Duolingo course could be designed.
As a girl with Roma heritage I would greatly appreciate if they did add my peoples' language though since we were forced to spread out we many, many different dialects which may be difficult to nail down. Also since we were forced among Gadjo we were forced to learn their languages which intermingled with ours and it has made it very difficult to find a definitive Romani language. And thank you all for not using g*psy, since it is indeed derogatory.
Sorry to be politically incorrect. I use the word gypsy and mustalainen (Finnish for gypsy meaning a blackone) Gadjo I don't like, if the person talking could use my own name ;-) So the gadjos don't know what is Roma. It is always half hour talk what is the difference between a Roma / a Romanian. And the language Romani language / Romanian language.
yees i hope too, i like your topic, i would like somebody try it, i'm gypsy and i from spain, we lost our language time ago i just know few words. But it is the Caló. Here you can find the words, they are real words , because i knew some of them before of inside in this web. https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Diccionario_gitano/Vocabulario_cal%C3%B3-castellano
Sorry by my english and thanks everybody.
What is Romani like as a language? Does it have noun cases, verb conjugation, verb aspects, etc.? I love to learn about the grammar and syntax of other languages.( I know, it's kind of weird)
Yes, it has basically all that, and a few cases as well. It's an actual language, it's related to Hindi and Urdu.
Some 400 root words are from Indian languages. Rest from so many languages which were enroute from India to Balkans and then to million different directions
I would also like to be able to learn some Romani. The Vlax dialect maybe. There are very few resources for it. I also think understanding their language and culture may increase the tolerance to one of the most disadvantaged population in Europe.
This would be very cool. I would be interested in exploring the language too.
I would also really like a Romani course, as I think it's a very unique language. Even if I do not hear many people speaking it these days, talking in this language would make learning it worthwhile. :) Also you might notice my profile picture, which is full of Robin aka Dick Grayson, who is Romani. he is my idol haha But still, this is not the only reason why I want Romani. Please think about it, Duolingo!
Interestingly in the UK at least, the Romani language is likely to die out, not by persecution but by integration. The children of the Slavik Roma who have made their home here attend school and end up speaking English at home - as they grow up its likely that they will speak English more and some will marry English speaking partners. The Roma people and their language has survived fascist dictatorships and generations of persecution and I don't believe Roma language and culture will die out altogether. There is an excellent free course here: www.romaninet.com for anyone who wants to start learning now.
i would like to be agree with you but we don't speak romani anymore at least in Spain, we just know few words. I saw the course but I can't understand them it is very different. Anyway, thanks by the course I will look it. And someday it will to be in duolingo too, i hope xD.
Kushti divvus! (Good day!) Romani here, checking in. I see there are several misleading comments on here, so I thought I'd help clear some up.
The majority of Romani dialects are a bit different, but they are relatively similar enough that it wouldn't be too difficult to understand each other. The most widely known/used dialect is Vlax/Kalderash Romanes. Any specific dialect differences would be a mix of the dominant language from whatever country they are in (as is often the case with Spanish and English in America or "Spanglish").
The problem is a lot of Romani individuals, especially in other countries, would like to keep the language "secret" because of distrust of "gadjos" or non-Romani. In other countries, Romani are hated and I have even felt the hate from Europeans when they find out I am Romani despite the fact that I am an American as well. Hell, I may even be more hated BECAUSE of the fact that I am Romani-American.
As far as the term "Gypsy" being derogatory, it is when said by non-Romani. Many just like myself have "reclaimed" it, much the same way other cultures have "reclaimed" racial slurs. I do not recommend using the term unless someone you know is Romani and they say it's okay for you to use it around them. It is, however, with some, basically the equivalent of saying the N-word towards a person of African descent. I personally use the term to describe myself, but I do not like it when I see stores names after Gypsies or clothing that says "My Gypsy Soul" worn by a non-Gypsy. Kind of annoying, really.
If you are interested in learning the Vlax/Kalderash dialect, again, the most widely-used dialect, the book Learn Romani by Ronald Lee is a great book.
Kushti divvus. Tah ach Devell! (Good day. God bless.)
I take it you’re in favour of promoting Sarău’s standardised form, rather than a specific dialect?
Romances is an interesting language, the main concern I see in the comments is which dialect to learn. Well, I'm from the USA, and I think the kalderash dialect would be most effective. My friend is a matvaye (I'm not sure how they like to spell it) and he can understand kalderash. There is a book called "das-duma Rromanes" by Ronald Lee that teaches in the kalderash dialect. He also had to right the words himself because Rromanes is just started being written.
I also noticed a few differences, like how someone used 'pani' for water. Pi is how water is taught in the book.
I totally agree! Romani language and culture is very unique and interesting. Plus, Romani is dying out, and this may be a way to preserve such a beautiful language. The only obsticle is the fact that records are pretty scarce and there are many dialects and it would be almost impossible for a Romani speaker from Italy to understand on from Poland or Hungary.
There are already a lot of books about Kalderash and Vlax Romani . However some of the Roma groups don't like the idea that non Roma ("gadjé") learn there language. This has been especially true during a long time for the Sinti in the Netherlands and Germany, who spoke a language that is because of many German loanwords is hardly mutually intelligible with the languages I mentioned before. However in France, where the Manouche speak a language that is almost the same as Sinti, some books have been published and I learned it at about at A2 level. I discussed the topic with some Sinti living in our village and especially younger people seemed not to be too shocked when I told them I understood something of their language.