How much Vocabulary do we need?
I am currently using Anki to learn my 4200 words of Swedish vocabulary and am intending to use memrise afterwards to learn hopefully 2000 or more words.
Although i am making great progress in understanding some texts of Swedish when do you think i can stop actively learning Swedish vocabulary and instead passively learn it through music and videos (movies and SVT tv shows)
Please comment your estimated vocabulary knowledge and how much Swedish you understand so i can obtain a better understanding of how much active learning is too much.
(This is important to me because i am currently trying to undertake in learning vocabulary for Swedish, Japanese and Chinese and would like to lighten my work load and focus on the other languages)
I still struggle to understand Swedish as well as I would like with just the vocabulary from Duolingo. I usually find 4-5000 words gets you off reading well and duolingo falls well short of it. I have picked up more from reading and watching tv but have hit a bit of a barrier, Swedish is harder than I thought it was. I know I should just learn more vocab but am bored stiff by Memrise, and can't face a course there that repeats what I already know from duolingo. If there was a specific postduolingo course it would be much better. But for now I have rather resigned myself to waiting for tree 2 and/or the Swedish from Russian course to make more progress. Anyway a break often leads to progress rather than decline. I just went back to Russian after a break and it seems less difficult.
So if you want to stop forcing vocab in do so. Either just focus on your other languages or try reading and watching tv or films in Swedish. It can't hurt to find out if you are ready by experiment. Everyone learns in their own way, and it isn't a race. Time is a necessary part of the process.
Totally agree with the decision to take a break especially if you become bored stiff with any learning tool like Memrise.
I recently took a 1-2 day break so i'm fresh for doing language studies again :)
I didn't really intend to stop vocabulary as i was meaning i might have been able to move focus from Swedish vocab (which i currently have been learning alot of) to Japanese vocab so i will never be free of vocabulary :)
I was thinking of watching SVT (swedish tv) with the Swedish subtitles as my vocabulary suppliment by i feel i will need to write down too many words down to be able to watch it without stopping so it would be kinda annoying :/
I usually start watching movies and tv shows right after finishing Duolingo's tree. I download them on my computer and I use this method: http://actualfluency.com/guide-watch-video-2-sets-subtitles/
After only two months I was able to watch any video in Spanish without the need of any subtitles, and now I'm using the same method with Russian. It's taking longer of course, but it's going rather well. Perhaps it might work for you, too. Good luck!
How many hours of videos do you watch in two months? When you say you can watch without subtitles what level of comprehension are you talking about?
At least one hour every day, so about 60+ hours in two months, and now whenever I watch a movie or a tv show in Spanish I'm able to understand about 95% of what's being said (without subtitles). I've also started to read some novels in order to expose myself to more advanced vocabulary, and there the comprehension rate has dropped to about 80%, but I'm still happy with the result. Granted, more often than not I encounter new words that are so similar to their equivalents in Italian that I don't even have to look them up, and that definitely helps a lot. As I said Russian is taking much longer, but that goes without saying :)
Now, the OP was asking about Swedish which is one of the easiest languages for English speakers to learn, so I think that reaching a good comprehension level in a few months is doable.
Good to know, this seems like the most efficient approach to learning, it's just the matter of tracking down those subtitles. I've been learning through videos, mostly without subtitles though.
Watch TV series like Wallander, etc. plenty out there. Best way to enrich and widen one's vocabulary.
Ahh, thank you. I was planning to watch SVT at one stage in the immediate future and thank you for sharing this so i can diversify my media choice :)
It's just if i spend to much time using the video media as "study" i won't really be concentrating on the media itself and instead it's vocabulary. This is fine in one respect as i get to hear and interpret more common vocabulary however it will likely break immersion and understanding of the story leading to less enjoyment of the media of choice, sadly :(
True but you should watch, let's say, one episode just for listening purposes and then the next time you could re-watch it for learning purposes trying to identify and add new vocabulary to your existing one.
Hmm, good point, i'll consider that :) I might binge watch it like i do for most video content and then rewatch for vocabulary reasons :)
This issue has been approach by many language learning bloggers. I read this a while back about Spanish but it is applicable to any language. How Many Words Do You Need to Know in Spanish (or any other foreign language)? And WHICH Words Should You Be Learning?
Just in case you're not aware, Duolingo user: HFM2402 recently began posting some japanese tutorials. Japanese Like a Native - Lesson 1 : Greetings and Introductions
I guess i need 20000 words then XD and thanks for the Japanese tutorials however my current resources for Japanese are fine to use.
I'm curious what are your resources for learning Japanese? My personal goal at the moment is to be able to read/understand Japanese so I still have to master the kanji. Tofugu.com is a pretty great site also. Occasionally I also read about learning Japanese in Spanish, I try to learn a number of things through Spanish resources.
I did use: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1194221613 and https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1366739935 (N5 i completely know and N4 i have learnt half but i procrastinated finishing the rest for Swedish Vocabulary)
However i found that i favor Memrise over Anki so instead i am doing this: http://www.memrise.com/course/122925/jlpt-n4-readings/ (I had a problem where i could read the word entirely like 新しい(atarashii)=New but i wouldn't be able to remember what the "新" part of the word is and hence be unable to speak it. The memrise course fixes that by including both learning for 新しい=new and "新"= tano
I haven't tried learning any grammar yet as i suck at read large amounts of text and remembering things and instead like things like anki and memrise :)
I to am hoping to be able to understand and message people in Japanese in the future.
The kanji part of things i'm using Chinese to aid me since they share characters it becomes somewhat easier to remember if i have already seen the Kanji in Japanese and visa-versa for Chinese and also because i learnt Chinese in my younger years at school :)
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Thanks for those links, I'll check them out. I'm on and off again with Japanese because I am dedicated to mastering Spanish everyday. So I like to learn Japanese in small doses but this will definitely help. Good luck with your studies.