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Why do people downvote articles?

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Why do people downvote articles? I am just curious why? I could possibly understand downvoting my Duran Duran article, but really, who doesn't like the Umbrellas of Cherbourg? I wondered if maybe it is bacause it was a duplicate. Did the movie have too much singing? Do we not like Wikipedia articles? Is there any way to find out if an article has been previously translated and is it wrong to do an article twice, anyway? Is there a way to search by name for articles? Where can I find guidelines for selecting articles? I really do want to know. Thanks!

EDIT Thanks everybody. I feel better and I will take courage and keep going.

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Short answer: For the opposite reasons they upvote article.

A bit longer answer: People downvote for factually incorrect articles, boring articles, articles they don't like, articles that don't make sense to them, duplicate articles, and so forth.

You have many questions there, I'll try to answer a few:

  1. You can upload anything that doesn't contravene(violate) the Guidelines https://www.duolingo.com/guidelines;
  2. There is no way to search for articles in Immersion, aside from scrolling;
  3. If it is a wikipedia article, you can check wikipedia to see if it has been translated before;
  4. Whenever you upload an existing article, Duobot claims it, and changes the uploader's name to Duobot; and
  5. Articles you upload must be either owned by you, be in the public domain, or use a permissive Creative Common (CC) license [1] such as C0, CC-BY-SA, or CC-BY, and so forth. Not all CC content can be uploaded to immersion, one such example is the CC-BY-ND.

[1] - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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'You can upload anything that doesn't contravene(violate) the Guidelines https://www.duolingo.com/guidelines; '

Actually, this is demonstrably not the case.

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1777052

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1192351

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/1464967

Conversely it is not the case that you will necessarily be unable to upload something that does contravene, violate, breach, defy or indeed simply break the rules: https://www.duolingo.com/translation/37a8f70dc3db33caa98e3531b59bfe67

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Indeed, users can upload anything (that doesn't violate the guidelines) the filters allow them to, and if the filters don't allow it through, they can request that the article be uploaded through support. So in any event, they can upload them.

However, if they are constantly uploading articles that break the rules, they may be banned. That is what I meant with that statement. But, as with any security measure, it is only meant to dissuade or slow down people attempting to "break the rules", yet all security measures in existence have some flaw that allow them to be breached, given enough time, patience, and perseverance.

From my perspective, the filters are only meant to reduce the likelihood of bad content getting through, and reduce the work of cleaning them up.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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they can request that the article be uploaded through support. So in any event, they can upload them I wish that were true - I've tried and reported the failures ad nauseam, despite Kristine's acknowledgement in the link above that the material ought to get through. :( Sorry for the bad formatting, the ability to paragraph posts has now disappeared again, for me at least.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Oh, it only happened a few times to me. Though support may help you, if you really want these articles to go through, mstreeter is probably best person to help you.

The last time my article was "prevented" from uploading, mstreeter altered the filters to let it through. Funnily enough, that was a children's story[1] about sharing, and letting people use your stuff freely. :)

Up to this day, I still wonder what word prevented it from uploading.

[1] - https://www.duolingo.com/translation/2c2a4cce4265fbf39b26e0523e5e6724

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Some people upload things they've written without spell checking. I down vote those.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlmogL
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I would also like to know the answer to all these questions, in case I ever upload any articles.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jolynnedougherty
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Thanks for replying. I almost came back to erase my questions because I was afraid it woudl come across as whiny. I'm glad to know I'm not alone in my curiosity. Have a Lingot on me, AlmogL.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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You upload whatever you want as long as you can get it past that disgrace of a filter, Jolynne! The people who downvote Umbrellas of Cherbourg are probably the people who ensure there's a market for stuff like American Pie.

Seriously, I would guess it goes something like:

I'm not interested in this subject so why would anyone else be, hah, take that, you boring old people. (I imagine this includes Duran Duran and Umbrellas!)

I can't do this, help, it's too hard go away!!!! Grrrr.

I don't like you, you corrected my text or disagreed with me and you're the one who uploaded this, are you? This'll learn ya.

You're uploading stuff from that site? Really?

This article is full of errors on my favourite subject, it's rubbish, who thought this was a good idea, I'm off to correct all the errors on Wikipedia.

The site wouldn't let me upload an article on 19th century fiction but you're putting sexist/racist/homophobic/top shelf drivel here in contravention of all site guidelines? Really? Go to blazes.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/greenteagirl67

Luscinda, I always love your comments, and this one made me laugh. I may not be an old person, but I've definitely wondered if some of my articles were downvoted or just ignored because the subjects weren't modern or interesting to other young people or something. :-) And I agree, things get downvoted for bad reasons like these-- we just can't let it get to us! Courage, jolynne!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Well, I will admit that the last one is the one that has motivated me to hit the downvote button in extreme instances, and I'm by no means sure it's a bad reason. And I'm sure there are other reasons/examples of classic interweb psychology that others can add to that list. But I really do think the up/down on articles otherwise is just 'I like it'/'I don't like it' except in the other, mostly random, cases above. And I wouldn't expect everyone to like reading what I like so I don't see that it matters. It just baffles me that people expend the energy, when someone else is likely to want to read it.

One point that may be material: is the 'popular' tab predicated on these votes or on activity levels? If the former, then maybe it's about what people want to see as available when they go into immersion. But I would never take it as personal criticism (except in the case of point 3 above, when it's funny).

PS - I love reading yours too.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Amy-schultz

Does up voting or down voting an article affect the placement on the Popular tab? Maybe this is why? I do wish there were a better why to search for articles! Either way, I did like your Umbrellas article! :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jolynnedougherty
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Thanks. I am unsure how an article becomes popular, if it's upvotes or if it is how many people work at translating it. Someone here will know the answer.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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I presume that it is based on upvotes + number of views + last translation/edit.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Re: Dessamator's comment,

Yes, up and down votes are a tool to move the most relevant and helpful comments up. (Unfortunately, people have been socialized on facebook to use them to indicate what they did or didn't like reading, regardless of relevancy, accuracy, or overall merits of utility.)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Why have the comments on this article been reordered in such a jumble? It's not time sequence in either direction. It seems to happen frequently and makes threads impossible to read.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Threads/comments (within a thread) are sorted and organized based on popularity/upvotes.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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That's completely insane. It loses the sense of the conversation and the order in which points were made that led someone to respond, and thus completely misrepresents our comments.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Well, it is meant to ensure that "popular" topics go up, and unpopular topics are hidden. Each comment chain represents a different "conversation" within a thread, so I presume that's the rationale. In any event, I agree with you, it was not well thought up, especially when one reaches the comment chain limit. At that point the thread becomes one complicated mess.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sabisteb
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The same question is asked at amazon, constantly. Why do they klick "not helpful". Best get rid of this voting funktions from the beginning, they just spread envy up to downright hate. Just leave the upvoting and get rid of the downvoting, please. Learn from amazon. The threads concerning downvoting are a constant annoyance and collect all the freaks and trolls.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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In a variation on the theme, I'd love to know who votes up articles they don't touch? I uploaded an article that no one has touched yet except me (and that was only the title so I can be sure of finding it later) - and I have multiple upvotes for it!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jolynnedougherty
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I almost did something like that yesterday. There was an article whose title intrigued me and I think I may have only checked one sentence, so I could find it later. I did give it a cursory read-through and thought it looked interesting, and thus upvoted it. I figured that person would like getting the lingot, to boot. I don't think it was your article, though.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Yes, people can read something without translating or offering any input. So if the story is interesting, they are likely to upvote it whether or not they helped to translate it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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I know they can, I was just surprised that more than one did within a couple of minutes of the upload without anything being translated. I won't complain, though, I was trying to improve on the material on offer. Italian is swamped with duobot articles on different models of mobile phones as well as the bot's ubiquitous [female] porn performer articles. :-(

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jolynnedougherty
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French immersion is so much better than when I first started. I kept getting upscale watch and car advertisements. Here's hoping you get something better soon. Female porn star articles, Yuck!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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I just upload what I want myself, it's just that when the duobot gets carried away with a dull theme, it becomes hard to see anything among the sea of rubbish.

4 years ago