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Who is checking the correctness of the english being taught here.

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Hi I am a native english speaker (and also a university lecturer with several advanced degrees, so not exactly uneducated in english) and I am just now reversing the Spanish tree to get more exposure to Spanish in which I am not yet very comfortable and I have to say that I am a bit worried by the calibre of the english I am seeing in the first few skills modules.

For example we would never say 'she has not a family' and the word 'lives' has two very different pronunciations with a very specific meaning for each one - but the course is mixing them up completely.

I notice that the course did have a few native speakers in the development phase but how are issues being resolved now? As this is a very mature course I would have thought that the poor english would have been reported and resolved by now.

Hace 2 años

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ionasky
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Its a pity people want to vote this down, you are theoretically here to learn good english, someone pointing out the wrong bits is surely how the course improves for everyone, but it is not my problem of course since i already speak english like a native, which I am.

Hace 2 años

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Hello...first, thank you for pointing out those details...and believe me, a lot of people would be very thankful if you also could write down other details that you find on the reverse tree road you're taking, and let us know by this post...again thank you and sorry if some people do not appreciate it....

P.S.: so, the following sentence would be definitely wrong...?

....you know, she has not a family that supported her the way ours does... (...sabes, ella no tiene una familia que la apoye de la forma en que nuestra familia lo hace...)

Hace 2 años

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It could just about scrape by but it is VERY VERY antiquated and would be looked at as poor english.

The correct sentence would be

'she did not have a family that supported her the way ours does ( or did)

Or

'She does not have a familiy that supports her the way ours does'

( depending on the tense you want and if you are referring to something that is purely in the past or if it is an ongoing lack of support, not sure my spanish is good enough to be sure of the precise nuance you are looking for)

Strangely enough we use ' hasn't a '. Much more than 'has not a' which as i say is very old fashioned and if you did not want to to say either of the two sentences i offered then one would normally insert the word 'got'

She has not got a family that supported her the way ours does.

(though i still think the tenses are mixed and it should be supports with does and supported with did for preference)

Hace 2 años

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Thank you again...it does sound funny...now I know...have a great day/night/afternoon (don't know, it's night in my country)...

Hace 2 años

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I think the "has not got" and "hasn't a/has not a" constructions must be specifically British. I recognize them, but would never use them. I would say (as ionasky does in her earlier sentences) "She did [or does] not have . . . ."

Hace 2 años

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ionasky
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Yes i am English and I think the use of 'got' as an auxilary is a lot more common outside the US.

Hasn't etc is pretty much left to slightly old fashioned set phrases such as 'she hasn't a care in the world' or 'he hasn't a clue what to do' come to think of it the words following hasn't are all intangible concepts ( abstract nouns to use the correct terminology) not concrete nouns. I don't know for sure if that is an 'unofficial' rule but offhand i can't think of an exception that feels correct.

Hace 2 años

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"Hasn't a penny," maybe?

Hace 2 años

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ionasky
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Ooh, yes, i suppose so, hasn't got a penny is more natural to me but we've covered that. Nice one!

Hace 2 años

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The people who quality check the English course are those like you and me who are English speakers doing the reverse course. If things are wrong, report them. It's all crowd-sourced.

I did the English-to-Spanish course a long time ago, and it had fewer mistakes back then. I believe the team has been adding new sentences, and those haven't been in the wild long enough to garner sufficient reports to get corrected. Eventually, they do get fixed.

Hace 2 años

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Ahhh, I see, in that case i will keep reporting and responding. I didn't want to come across as barging in and being somehow ungrateful for all the effort the course team puts in but i was not entirely happy with people expending all that effort to learn a new language only to be exposed to things that are wrong and which would mark them as having a very low level of english. I figure if you are going to learn it, getting it as correct as possible would be of benefit. Thanks for the heads up.

Hace 2 años

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From what I understand, it takes the course contributors a while to work their way through the backlog of reported problems (and perceived problems), but they do get to the reports eventually.

Hace 2 años

https://www.duolingo.com/tomasvaldi3

Greetings, Teacher, can you tell me other web pages to learn more phonetics. Please. Thank you. I can give you some guidelines of the Spanish language, I am from Peru, I have studied but not performance food industries now, I am studying a technical career I think working abroad.

Hace 2 años

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Tomas: "I am thinking of working abroad." I think working abroad (incorrecto)

Hace 2 años

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Thans, for correction, you can publish English classes soon.

Hace 2 años

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I am one of the contributors for the Spanish for English and English for Spanish courses, and we go through the reports and correct any mistakes that are reported or that we find very often :)

As for audio, we have no control over how something is pronounced. (at least not that I know of). The only option we have would be to disable the audio for a specific sentence entirely. I will look into "lives" for you and disable any of the incorrect ones :)

We rarely come across any accepted translations that are like "She has not a family." I personally have found a few and removed them in the past, but I believe that overall, sentences like that are almost non-existent in our courses :)

If you find any errors in our courses, please report them! A lot of the time we don't catch the errors ourselves and the reports help us out greatly! And finally, if there is ever any pressing-issue or major error, or even if you just wanna say hello, you can always write to either me or anyone else on the team! :)

Hace 2 años

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Cool, will do.

Hace 2 años

https://www.duolingo.com/shaggifav

hola, si necesitan correcciones en español yo las puedo hacer, mi lengua materna es español, yo podría corregirlas y podríamos intercambiar clases de ingles por clases de español por skipe. mi skipe es fabian acevedo. gracias.

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