סיימתי את העץ של עברית! יש לי ינשוף זהב!
I have probably still made mistakes in the subject, but hey, I did my best ;)
I really enjoyed this tree, and I will definitely be striving to get it gold and achieve actual mastery of the material, not just having finished the tree, but it's very satisfying to finish. It's the first tree I've finished on here which isn't either a language designed to be easy or one in which I have a big leg up from previous knowledge. Before I started the tree, I could say hello, introduce myself, say please and thank you, say I am from England, say I speak English and Russian...... and that was pretty much it. I learned a little more about a decade ago, but I'd forgotten almost all of it.
It feels really good to have finished the tree! I honestly thought it would take me way longer than four months.
Give me a few more months and I might even attempt to say more of this in Hebrew, but I'm tired and I did seven skills today (I was so close, I couldn't resist just going for it), so I hope Team Hebrew will forgive me for just saying this in Hebrew: תודה רבה :D
What was your favorite Hebrew skill? Which was the most difficult, and why?
How did the Hebrew course compare to other languages you've finished?
I've been trying to master the vocabulary as I go -- combination of Duolingo, Tinycards, Memrise, and Anki -- so I'm only about 1/5 of the way through.
I did a LOT of Memrise-ing, especially in the first third or so of the tree... I think I would've really struggled without it. With vocab that has so few cognates, it just takes a lot more time to get the words into my head! I have been relying on Memrise less and less, though I think now I've finished the tree, I will be doing more Memrise to get things a bit more cemented in my brain. I think it helps a lot that I've been using the language, speaking to people on Skype, etc, otherwise I'd still be floundering. I mean... sometimes I'm still floundering, but a lot less than I was!
Hardest skills would have to be the verbs, especially present 2&3: all the me and mit verbs were really jumbled together in my head at that point. I don't know if they're empirically the hardest, but at that point in the tree, I found them very difficult. I think when the later verb-heavy skills appeared, I was already getting much better at looking for the root and not being so befuddled by how so many of the verbs started the same. I think verbs and roots are simultaneously one of the things that's most alien and difficult, but also one of the most fascinating things, and I love how as time goes on, you can spot the roots recurring and see the different meanings in action. But... they are really hard for a newbie 8-o
Favourite skill... I liked the negative imperatives, though I am not really sure why LOL. LOVE the diminutives, something I didn't even know Hebrew had. Legends, Space and Israel were all fun for various reasons.
It's kind of hard to compare the Hebrew tree with the other ones I've finished, because I don't know the grammar and such myself nearly well enough to judge how well it's covered. That disclaimer in place, it feels like a really good grounding, especially if you put the effort in and get to know everything well.
I think personally I would've liked to have had verbs introduced a bit more sparingly - some of those verb skills are really hard on a learner - and maybe have tenses introduced sooner but more gently. Say, some pa'al verbs, practice a bit, basics of past tense, more pa'al verbs, some pi'el verbs, more practice, basics of future tense... but in fairness, I don't know if that would be easier or not, I think I just struggled with having so many verbs thrown at me in short sections, and that was when Memrise was invaluable.
I would say it's easily competing in the same league as Russian and Esperanto, in terms of the overall quality, the tips and notes, how thorough it felt, etc, and those are the ones I would consider the best of the trees I've finished.
... this got longer than I meant LOL hahaha. My brain is kind of mushy today, SO MUCH HEBREW, but yeah. It was a really good tree, I enjoyed it very much.
I'd say we've covered all the bases in terms of grammar. If you keep working on the tree and consolidating everything, it's then only a matter of gaining vocabulary, speaking and listening abilities and learning more of the grammar quirks that you get in any language.
I'm sure you haven't been presented with all the sentences yet, and there's gems in the course that present some of these things that just require experience to learn, eg. how you say things like "It wasn't me that said it/I'm not the one that said it" (זה לא אני אמרתי את זה) which maybe doesn't seem logical to begin with.
That's good to know - it's very hard to judge as a learner, it feels thorough, but I just don't know enough to be sure.
It certainly seems pretty thorough and complete, from a learner POV - I feel like there are things that I haven't got hold of properly yet, but that most things I'd want to say I either can say or could figure out to say, even if I make mistakes while I'm still getting to grips with things... there's loads of content there, even if I've not yet mastered it, if that makes sense?
It's why I compared it to Russian and Esperanto, where I felt like the grammar covered was very thorough, and gave you all the important stuff and some extras. I'm just more qualified to judge the Russian tree, and to some extent the Esperanto one ;)
My plan is to work my way back through the tree (and also through the stuff on Memrise that I've yet to finish), and get everything gold, plus redo all the lessons that I feel less confident with. I feel very confident there's still stuff I can learn from it, which is actually a great feeling. Basically, it feels like there's still plenty of meat left on it, and that I'll continue to learn from it as I polish stuff up.
From an end user POV, it was a fun tree to do (hard, but really fun!), and I feel like I've got a solid overview of the language, even though I've still got a long way to go, which is a very nice feeling :D
כן! כבר דיברתי הרבה, התחלתי בספטמבר. אני עדיין עושה הרבה טעויות... אבל אני מדברת בעברית כמה פעמים בשבוע. אני חושבת שאם אני לא הייתי מדברת, אני עדיין לא הייתי מרגישה מוכנה עכשיו! אני התחלתי לדבר לפני שהרגישתי מוכנה. יש סרטון שעשיתי לפני שבוע, https://youtu.be/LOjZ6OEpzvU אפילו אני יכולה לשמוע הטעויות שלי, אבל אני גאה אני יכולה לדבר במשך יותר מעשר דקות בעברית.
(I hope this makes sense. I still haven't got hold of the conditional as much as I hope to eventually! Just in case I made a mess of the Hebrew, I'll say in English: I think if I hadn't started talking before I felt ready, I probably would still not feel ready, but making myself talk before I was ready has stopped me from feeling so self-conscious about my mistakes, so I am now talking several times a week in Hebrew and feel okay about it, even if I make mistakes!)
אל תדאגי אני חושב שאת מדברת טוב מאוד. גם אני כל כך קרוב לסיים את העץ שלי. עכשיו מה את רוצה לעשות לשפר את העברית שלך?
אין לי רעיון כרגע. זה הסיבה ששאלתי אותך. לפעמים אני מקשיב למזרחית (זה ז'נרה) וגם אדבר עם משפחה בישראל (אבל הם רוצים ללמוד אנגלית אז זה קצת קשה. אם אני אדבר בעברית, הבן דוד שלי יענה באנגלית או הוא ידבר מהר מדי). ניסיתי לקרוא עיתונים אבל זה קשה בגלל יש הרבה מילים שאני לא יודע. גם יש לי ספר אבל זה קצת משעמם לקרוא.
עכשיו אני מבינה.
יש לי שלושה ספרי לימוד:
Living Language Hebrew - quite user friendly, don't know that the advanced one is that advanced, but nice package with CDs, etc
Colloquial Hebrew - Colloquial are my go-to textbook for any language. I have done maybe 6-7 chapters of it, it's pretty good. Now I've finished the tree, I plan to work through this too
Routledge "Modern Hebrew, an essential grammar" - bought a long time ago, not used much because way too advanced for me at the time, plan to use it more now
oh and also TY hebrew, but wasn't impressed
אני רוצה למצוא רומנים קלים בעברית, שאני יכולה לקרוא, אבל זה קשה. יש אתר איפה מצאתי הנסיך הקטן בעברית: https://www.odaha.com/antoine-de-saint-exupery/maly-princ/ntv-n-dh-snt-kzvpry-hnsyk-hqtn
אני עדיין מחפשת דברים חדשים כדי ללמוד יותר. אם אמצא משהו טוב, אספר לך, בסדר?
(I am not sure if you can really use לספר that way, but I'm tired and I have a migraine so fingers crossed you'll understand me even if it's not actually right ;))
I just remembered, if you're in the U.K. or can access the Channel 4 on demand service at all, there's a ten episode series set in Tel Aviv, in Hebrew it's called להיות איתה, but in English they called it Beauty and the Baker. I've only watched one episode, because life happened 8-o, but I enjoyed what I saw.
Very good pronunciation in the clip. Don't have time to watch and comment on it all but one small tip for something I noticed at the beginning: שלום לכולם is "hello everybody", you can't say שלום לכל because it means "hello to every/all ____" or "hello to everything".
The passage above is also very good, although it's not necessary to use the pronouns with the past tense (which includes the past tense as an auxiliary for "would" phrases): אם לא הייתי מדברת instead of אם אני לא הייתי מדברת. Adding the pronoun adds emphasis, like saying "I did it".
Also, הרגשתי instead of הרגישתי. It's hirgish/a/u but hirgashti and so on for the rest.
For some reason, my iPad and the forum are not speaking the last couple of days, so I have had basically no access to the forums, and I can't post in Hebrew from this computer yet, but I wanted to just do a general "Thank you" and hopefully I will come back and answer posts and stuff soooooon... :D
כמובן שלימוד מהאתר איננו מספיק, אך ניתן לראות שהרמה שלך גבוהה למדי.
אני שמח לראות שיש כאלו שכבר סיימו את כל הקורס בהצלחה.
אולי תרצי לעיין בקישור הבא; זהו אתר בשם "השפה העברית" ובו מסבירים על המון דברים בשפה העברית:
מאחל לך הצלחה עם המשך לימודייך :)