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Do you trust in CEFR or IQ tests?

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Common European Framework of Reference for Languages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages

Intelligence quotient:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

First I don't trust in sistems of padronization I think that is impossible to padronize the knowledge of people, QI tests etc are nonsense because the hability is something fluid like life, is something individual and unintelligible for the others.

I already made some tests to know in what level I am in english in the European Sistem and I found some divergences in my level, in one test and another I can say that my level in reading is near the C1, I can read common books that don't use language much inusual, last week I was reading The Hunger Games, a good book I can say.

If I do tests in grammar I am very newbie, I obtain in the maximum B1 it is because we don't need grammar to read a book we only need a lot of vocabulary the rules don't matter but... everybody know that we are living in a sistem where tests are important and tests usually are based in gramar and this is the point, if I search for a job and I say that I don't have certificate but I have fluence in english rarely they will take me seriously.

When I do tests in speech or listening my level is B2 equally, but depend on the subject, I usually read a lot about Science and Philosophy if I speak about I can have a good talk but if I will speak about for example gastronomy or fashion this is a problem and because of this if we want a job in some area we need to learn the vocabulary in this area.

Another problem when we learn other languages is that our constrution of phrases will be in our mother language, sometimes I have problems with it although I am writing in English my reasoning is in portuguese and my constrution can be weird for native in english, like this postage I am writing this without think much if the people will understanding perfectly or not but if the comunication works, that's what matters

The question is... Is possible know the level of knowledge of someone? The tests really are important or we that give much importance for this when there is things more important? There is a lot of people with University Degree but that don't give real importance for the knowledge and after receive the degree don't give more time to learn or maintain the knowledge, it without speak about people that pay to other people make his Completion of course work

What is your opinion about?

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https://www.duolingo.com/JessicaRRamos

Hmm, I read a book about IQ long time ago (Book: The Mismeasure of Man, pt: A falsa Medida do Homem) and accordingly to the author, IQ wasn't to measure human's intelligence. It was kinda to help identify which students are in most need (need for help in studies). So, I usually just take these kind of things as a model to guide myself, but not a truly measure of myself.

If I do tests in grammar I am very newbie, I obtain in the maximum B1 it is because we don't need grammar to read a book we only need a lot of vocabulary the rules don't matter but... everybody know that we are living in a system where tests are important and tests usually are based in grammar and this is the point, if I search for a job and I say that I don't have certificate but I have fluency in English rarely they will take me seriously.

Indeed! Just take a look at how our schools are, tests are so much of a thing that learn is less important than good grades, what's insane. However, I understand the grammar thing. The tests are focusing If you can write in that language, and grammar really counts here. Of course, a huge vocabulary is important, but I, myself, also noticed problems in the way I write the texts in English, so I really understand the tests. One thing that has been helping me is immersion (Pt - Eng, I'm good at Eng - Pt, but now I am seeing I am useless at English construction.)

Another problem when we learn other languages is that our construction of phrases will be in our mother language, sometimes I have problems with it although I am writing in English my reasoning is in Portuguese and my construction can be weird for native in English, like this postage I am writing this without think much if the people will understanding perfectly or not but if the communication works, that's what matters

True, but It isn't impossible to become like a native. Just take a look at Pierluigi Piazzi, he was Italian and yet He talked like a actual Brazilian. I believe that the thing is, he was so immersed in our language, that he started to talk and write like us. (Otto Maria Carpeaux is another excellent example).

Now, the final statementing:

The question is... Is possible know the level of knowledge of someone? The tests really are important or we that give much importance for this when there is things more important? There is a lot of people with University Degree but that don't give real importance for the knowledge and after receive the degree don't give more time to learn or maintain the knowledge, it without speak about people that pay to other people make his Completion of course work

Not really, really, but kinda. Last time I did one of these tests, I was scored as B2 and It seemed pretty fair to my knowledge from that time (I didn't make more tests since then). You should use them as a guide, to know where you are failing the most. That's the way I take these things in. Yeah, last statementing is all true, sadly.


Whew! It grew more than I expected.

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Pierluigi foram os livros deles que começou a me fazer administrar melhor os meus estudos, sou daqueles bocós que sempre adentrou em conteúdos aleatórios, um livro aqui, um post ali, um documentário aqui e no fim não tenho especialização em nada, "aprendendo inteligencia" se eu tivesse lido algo do tipo quando era mais novo eu tava feito na vida.

Faz sentido o teste de QI para ajudar nas deficiências das pessoas, o nosso cérebro é um mistério, já vi pessoas completamente leigas ao ponto de não saber somar 1 + 1 mas que tinham talento inato por exemplo para a arte, um colega da quinta série reprovou em todas matérias porém tinha uma técnica para desenhar esplendida para a idade dele, penso que não existe graus de inteligência pois o consumo de energia do cérebro é praticamente igual para todos, o uso é igual o que diferencia um do outro para mim são as referências, se A + B = C caso você não tenha o B ou o A você não vai chegar ao resultado porém o esforço do cérebro será igual, referências até no sentido de que não se pode falar sobre a cor azul com um cego lhe faltará referências é por isso e por outras coisas que Pierluigi recomendava assiduamente ler livros.

Acho que eu nunca vou falar igual um nativo porque eu sou ruim em me expressar boca a boca até em português porém consigo escrever um texto até sem saber sobre o assunto, um enrolation que chega a fazer escorrer lágrimas da pessoas sem ela saber da minha ignorância, certa vez em uma redação de vestibular escrevi em rima... não passei mas vlw...

Sobre o livro, não pense que eu não vi a postagem! Sim o livro é em Ebook se você quiser que te passo o arquivo terá que esperar pois tava no meu netbook e a tela rachou tem uns dias.

Sabe aquela preguiça de escrever em inglês? Tipo isso. Ok I will try hard!

The books of Pierluigi are what help me to manage my study in a shape more efective, I am one of theses damn guys that always studied random subjects, a book here and there, a documentary and a post in some blog and in the end I don't mastering nothing, "aprendendo inteligencia" if I had read something of this kind when I was young my life today would be wonderful.

Ok my patience arrived an end here.... I need to translate all the text to demonstrate knowledge, but, but portuguese trigger the thoughts more easily xD

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Oh, você leu o Pier (; já sinto certa admiração. Realmente, foi esse livro aí que tem instaurado certas mudanças na minha rotina, como o fato de eu aos poucos estar retomando o ritmo de leitura que havia perdido no início da vida acadêmica (ironicamente).

Sim, sem contar que os resultados mudam até pelo estado emocional da pessoa no momento que faz, daí não poder levar extremamente a sério. Infelizmente, a história avança mas continuamos presos na tentativa insana de provar que uns são mais inteligentes que outros por meio de coisa mais escabrosas (o primeiro livro que citei mostra todo esse circo).

hehe entendo, também não sou muito de falar e ainda tenho uns problemas com dicção xD mas consigo imitar bastante a fala americana, só derrapando numas palavras americanas que denunciam meu sotaque.

Ah bem :P kkk sim, eu gostaria. Mas se for de muito trabalho é só falar onde achou (ou como achou) que eu busco aqui

kkkkk tudo bem, só comecei falando em inglês porque parecia que você queria que se falasse assim xD

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Ultimamente faço tudo em inglês com o tempo torna a parecer perca de tempo até mesmo ver um simples filme em português pois ao meu ver não esta ajudando no meu aprendizado, conceito esse que me arrependo de não ter chegado à, bem antes.

Então eu peguei um pacote com vários livros de ebook no site thepirateby:

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/12312458/Goodreads_-100_Best_Books_Ever(pdf__mobi)

https://thepiratebay.org/search/books/0/99/600

O problema é que você deve saber não é tão seguro esse site, pode vir vírus no arquivo.

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Just out of curiosity, The Hunger Games you read was eBook or Paper book?

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cara entendi um cado de coisa!!! legal eu to evoluindo !! realmente o duolingo e uma boa base para aprendizado do duolingo!!

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krai achei q nem ia entender o texto por causa do meu ingles fraco mas deu ate pra dar uma refletida

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