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Fluency Score

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We received a bunch of questions about Fluency Score, so we figured it was worth another post! Thanks to GermanSoy, hughcparker, daughterofAlbion, WildSage, Sammoreland, and many others who asked questions and provided follow ups about Fluency Scores in our Ask Duolingo series.

Read about Fluency Score in our help section HERE.

Read our previous Forum post about Fluency Score HERE.


Here are some fast facts:

  1. Fluency Score is our estimate of your fluency in the language you're learning. Our goal is to provide as close to an accurate assessment of real-world language ability as possible, so finishing your tree won't get you to 100%.

  2. With Duolingo alone, you can achieve a fluency as high as 50-60%.

  3. Your Fluency Score will increase over time as you learn more words and strengthen your skills, but it will decrease if you don't keep up your strength.

  4. Fluency Scores are currently only available for those of you learning Spanish, German, French, Portuguese, Italian, and English.

  5. We are currently working on new systems that will let us more closely monitor the alignment of our courses with CEFR levels.

What does my Fluency Score mean?

Fluency measures your mastery of the vocabulary and grammar of a language and your ability to understand and produce the language.

What is it based on?

Duolingo estimates your fluency based on your progress through the skill tree and the accuracy of your answers. Because learning a language requires repetition, we also take into account how regularly you practice. Without continued practice, your fluency score will decline, based on our model of how the human brain forgets over time.

I finished the tree! Why is my score so low?

With Duolingo, you can achieve a fluency as high as 50-60%, which is equivalent to Advanced proficiency. Our goal is for this estimate to be as accurate as possible, so finishing your tree won't get you to 100%. We're constantly working to improve how much Duolingo can teach you, and we hope that providing this insight into your progress will be both informative and encouraging. Seeking out native speakers to supplement your Duolingo learning is a great way to up your fluency, too!

Wait, what Fluency Score? I see nothing.

Ah, you must be learning a language outside of Spanish, German, French, Portuguese, Italian, and English. Unfortunately Fluency Scores are not yet available outside of the languages listed above. But we are working on it, along with a new system that will let us more closely monitor the alignment of our courses with CEFR levels.

Will you share the exact algorithm?

The boss says no. But we can tell you that it is calculated based on:

-what words you know

-how important those words are

-how well you know them

-how likely you are to forget them

Your Fluency Score will increase over time as you learn more words and strengthen your skills, but it will decrease if you don't keep up your strength.

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/wombatua
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Still, it's only within the Duolingo environment - not the real world, where lots of words not used by Duolingo exist. Fine if you want to call it fluency within Duolingo, but it has nothing to do with real-life fluency. Coming from a university environment, you should know that you need to provide footnotes to prove your case.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elizabeth261736

No. It should not be called fluency. It's misleading and it upsets people. Word strength would be a more appropriate name.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lorel90
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They are claiming that is real fluency, not only Duolingo. We know that is wrong.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LSadun
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A few things:

1) It's just a number! Instead of trying to give precise meaning to the fluency rating, just remember that 60 is better than 50, which is better than 40, and so on. And 60 is a whole lot less than 100, which reminds us that Duolingo alone can't give you true fluency, no matter how much time you give it.

But it will give you decent competency. I worked hard at Duolingo French through the summer, went to France, and lo and behold, I could understand what people were saying, and even get the gist of a religious sermon. I could comfortably conduct basic transactions, like buying a loaf of bread or asking for directions. I could read signs and displays and not feel like a fish out of water. Which is about what I'd expect from a 60% rating.

2) Your mileage may vary. The error bars on these ratings are huge. My German rating is higher than my French, even though my German is terrible. And while I'm genuinely fluent in Italian, my Italian rating is lower than my French. Meanwhile, somebody else reported that his Italian rating was higher than his German, even though he speaks German and is struggling with Italian. Go figure.

3) Imperfect information is better than no information. Seeing my ratings gradually improve from single digits to the 60% range was good motivation to keep going. In some ways it's a silly gimmick, but it still works. Eventually you can invent your own yardsticks, like how much time is left on the clock in a timed practice, how many questions you missed, or how many hints you needed.

4) Count your blessings, not your curses. Duolingo does almost nothing perfectly, but it does an awful lot well. (Maybe we should give it a 60% rating.) You can complain all you want about how the fluency ratings, the accepted answers on problems, the XP system, the explanations, or the arrangement of modules is messed up. And you'll probably be right about each complaint. But that misses the big picture! Duolingo actually works, and it makes language learning a lot more fun than it might otherwise be. People pay thousands of dollars for language classes that go nowhere, and we get a darn good alternative for free.

I tip my hat to The Owl.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiWMu8

~Well that's the problem, it never gave any indication as to any grading whatsoever. Ironically, it now does give me a %, however, it is at 0 even though I have completed loads of levels. I hasten to add, I do not go on there anymore to be honest, I will learn Spanish by mingling with the locals around my area.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Coyote356129

What's wrong is your definition of fluency. Why do you think there is A1, A2, B1, B2, etc.? Fluency is a journey, not a destination.

There's minimal fluency. And there's master fluency. The distance between them is a lifetime. Literally. Most people (99.9999%) will die without ever mastering their native language.

If Duo says you are 60% fluent, are they telling you you are fluent? On the contrary. They are specifically telling you that you are not fluent. Their claim, which is accurate, is that 60% can get you around. They never said you wouldn't sound like a clown, or that you would be able to understand a word out of anybody's mouth.

People are imposing their own ideas of what 60% means. Let me help. It's a D-. But for some reason people want to think of it as a B+. No, It's one wrong answer from an F.

Did you think you could get a PhD in Spanish in 100 hours?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

Being able to naturally do the grammar right over and over and hear when it is wrong is fluency. A large vocabulary is something else entirely. I think duo gives us a basic vocabulary and rudiments of grammar that if we practice over and over, we can begin to say thing correctly, and BEGIN to develop an ear.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_HereToLearn_

I guess, but I'm learning French, Japanese, and Mandarin right now and I got an ear without listening to it over and over again. It depends on the language how hard the grammar is. Some languages are easier to read, and others, the write. It varies.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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If they were claiming it was only mastery of what's within Duolingo, then 100% would be achievable. It caps at 50-60% because they are claiming it's real life fluency.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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The problem is that they have no way of measuring one's real fluency.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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I'm just saying it's what they're claiming, that's all.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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(Re your post below/above, wherever this ends up.)

Well, it is the topic of this particular thread, that's why people are going on about it here.

For a company that teaches languages and prides itself on some kind of scientific backing, the "fluency" score felt like an April Fools' joke back when it came out... They could so easily have called it something sensible and made it measure something useful, but they chose not to.

Some of the other things that could be fixed or edited on the site aren't as simple to fix or as obvious faux pas as this one. That's another reason this one grates so many users, I think.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

maybe bits from important literature need to be added at various points. Nursery rhymes, fairy tales...that is basic to fluency in a language because that is fundamental to educated basic speakers. It helps with associations and word associations, word choice. It could be added to duo easily. It's how real natives learn.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Coyote356129

So you want to know why 60% (which isn't much more than half) isn't your definition of fluency? What I can't understand is why somebody would think that 60% is good. It's terrible.

So if you have a 60% score, and you are still terrible, congratulations. What did you expect?

They are telling you you suck. And you suck. Why are you upset?

If they told you you were 85% fluent, and you still couldn't have a conversation, yes, that would be annoying. But they are not. They are giving you a D-, and you think they are flattering you.

You've made up your own conclusion of what 60% means, and it's not meeting your own conclusion. When I see 60%, I don't think, "Wow, that must mean I'm really good!" No, I think, "If it were 59 it would be an F."

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Yes, the point being they shouldn't claim that because it's a misuse of the word fluency (and frankly makes them look silly). Regardless of whatever the number shown is.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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Legitimate, but of all the things that should be fixed or edited on this site, this is such a low priority for me, I'm surprised everyone gets so up in arms about it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

Again, tho, it depends on definition of fluent which I have seen defined as able to make yourself understood or to understand basic things in a language. think about your friends at the university who speak English as a second language. I have a friend working in professional setting and I struggle often to understand her. We repeat, repeat...she is tired of it and I like her. She is however fluent enough to get a great salary here in her field and to have gotten great grades but her accent is heavy and it's heavy in several languages so that I have to ask her especially on the phone to repeat and work with her to hear clearly. She has a layer of our culture that she understands but then she is world fluent beyond me. She is fluent with a very heavy accent. Her grammar is good. Her reading comprehension on factual material is good. I am sure she writes well. she does not have to get out a dictionary. We are perhaps not at that level where a struggle is not involved in communication but it can happen when needed. Her English-speaking kids understand her. She is functionally fluent and her personality and feelings and meanings are clear; and she clearly reads others usually. Duo does not take us to that level. Experience alone would get us there. She achieved a degree in a technical field. I have had phd professors I could barely understand and graduate friends who were wonderfully fluent, great pronunciation, culturally hip, knew slang, read widely....no accent to speak of . That is real fluency.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WildSage
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Yes, that's what they are claiming but they offer nothing to back that up.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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I'm just saying it's what they're claiming, that's all.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lorel90
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Correct.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/toro_oso1
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It doesn't cap at 50-60% . I have seen mine as high as 79% when I practice regularly

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

A duo score goes over 60 percent for sure. I really don't know how high it goes but it still will not be equal to a score of fluency in the language, if I understand correctly. I can get 60 percent of a DUO score which perhaps goes to 100 percent. But that would mean I had a real fluency of nowhere near that compared to a well-educated or basics-educated native speaker. Skilled native speakers might naturally understand what register is appropriate for the setting: formal, casual, slang, creative and novel use of words for more brilliant and striking expression, the music, the poetic and social/historic/literary associations....We are working on basic structure, basic grammar. We may know nothing of the deep associations from children's stories, basic literature, common use. We would miss innuendos without these musical, childhood, literary richnesses. I can read a newspaper usually. That is quite basic: who what where when. I think to be fluent, you need to read the fairy tales and perhaps read them with children, recite them naturally, read the history, the literature, the modern and even some romance and bad writing to understand the various registers and their levels. You would have to be able to create novel understandings in your own correct but unique way in a language to be brilliant in it. Widely read. And know the culture.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WhatDoYouSee

Well, no test of any kind is really real world, is it? A test is always an estimation and test taken at that particular time. Never real world. Only the real world is the real world. That's true for the tests on duolingo as well as those international ones that give you your A, B, C level. Actually I prefer duolingo to those international tests, if it comes to that. Because you generally only take the international tests once and be done. But duolingo, if you keep using it, is a continued learning and testing. Just some thoughts...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

Duo is also a typing test, etc.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matfran2001
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"With Duolingo, you can achieve a fluency as high as 50-60%, which is equivalent to Advanced proficiency."

Sorry mate, but that's hilarious!

I have finished several trees here and just when I finished them the fluency score showed 60-65% in most of them (and 74% in one of them).

It is clear that my "real" level at that time, was NOT higher than A2 in any of those languages. So "Advanced Proficiency" (when you reach 60-65%) is just a dream, not reality.

An A2 level would be closer to the truth in my opinion.

By the way, those online CEFR tests don't work either, because I usually get C1 in Itailan and French (for example) and I hardly can converse in those languages just yet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Sorry mate, but that's hilarious!

Agree, agree, agree.

A2 is pretty accurate, and the spoken score might be even lower, since (real) speaking isn't really taught or tested on Duolingo.

Greetings from someone who is actually C1 and C2 proficient in a couple of L2 languages, and has finished seven trees here.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matfran2001
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Yeah, speaking is the real problem here. I can read (adult) books comfortably in French, Italian, Catalan, Portuguese, Spanish, English....and with quite an effort in German and Esperanto.

Duolingo is a great method to start a new language from scratch and after few months you (or at least some people) are able to start reading books and that's great of course (it is a great pleasure for me to be able to read all these books in these languages, taking into account that 13 months ago I couldn't even read one sentence in most of these languages).

But speaking is a different animal. Unless you actually start trying to talk to people, on a daily basis, you'll never be able to speak fluently.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Yes to all of this as well!

There's nothing like Duolingo to get you kickstarted in a language. And for someone like me, who doesn't care much about speaking, it's freaking brilliant.

But saying it gives anyone any kind of fluency is just wrong.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

Could you suggest a French book that is well-written, rather recent, and worth a read? I thought of trying translations. A great service would be to include them with the ability to click meanings. I learn from context better than French today tho that's useful to see patterns and exceptions. Any book suggestions? Nothing shocking but something well done?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pat214197

I was at 54% fluent in Português and I still haven’t had a conversation yet because I can’t understand people when they speak. I’ve been to Brasil 14 times also so the percentage of fluency doesn’t mean much at times.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zzzzz...
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This purely speculation so feel free to down-vote this if you want to. I think the problem with the fluency score is that it only measures words and not sentences. Duolingo's sentences continue to be very short even in the lower parts of the tree. I am talking about trees like German or Spanish here, not about Norwegian, which of course does not even have a fluency score. If Norwegian or Swedish had a fluency score, it should be higher than that of German for instance. But since only the competence of remembering words is measured, you would reach just as high a fluency score in German and in Norwegian, even though the Norwegian tree teaches more complex sentence structures. It is possible I have misunderstood something here and I am willing to admit that I am wrong should someone provide the necessary evidence. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Yeah, if it is just based on words then a count (of words in long term memory) would be more useful. It's how many people think about language learning. 'Oh yeah, I know 2000 Russian words' etc. I am not saying it is the best way to think about language learning, but it gives a rough idea of where you are on your language learning journey, it's transparent, and it's easy to understand what you have to do to improve it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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...and it's something Duolingo can actually measure based on your activity here. As opposed to, you know, your fluency.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

Since starting French in spring and Spanish in summer, I stumble now in native langage English to find words...as if my brain were not sure what source to draw from. I recognize French and Spanish words but my spelling and grammar are plunges into patterns and not something I can sort out naturally and reproduce when needed. I feel tired after a long practice session. Imagine the fatigue of living in foreign country with a low proficiency of 67!!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kubelnaby
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Quite frankly, you should just scrap this fluency meter. It's useless at best and misleading for some people and you know it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spicybadger

I agree with you that the name should be scrapped, but think that a scoring system is very useful when the goal is to Gamify language learning. So - come on everyone - what would everyone on here recommend for a replacement term?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

I like it but it might be called something else and a measure of grammar could help also. Duo is bound to improve due to the creative sources and people working on it. It can help on the road to being bilingual but not the same as bi-cultural at ALL. Uniquely, a bicultural person living around mono-cultural people is not going to enjoy being understood at a depth they might seek. My brilliant, fun foreign friends who speak at most registers without much accent and understand American culture, grew up speaking two languages in their home country, they miss being understood as thoroughly as they are making the effort to understand, I've suspected.
Native American speakers are bicultural, but I know a few so immersed in two cultures they do not seem to know they are bicultural in some of their understandings. I can't get to their depth in their culture at times tho they seem to understand mine very deeply usually. It is always a two-way effort and struggle. But two human beings are in the same boat in the same culture given the complexities--even in a marriage. The material is different. The mystery is always there. It's to always language and culture. I have had pets who understood me as well or better than family members do, who could read my subtle thoughts and do face-saving with the other pets and me even. Language is a container for thoughts/feelings mostly. Some huge transmissions occur without it when trust is formed. Again, that is part of communication. Language skills without that are null, really. Pure robot stuff. An animal with all these skills---that has soul...and we hardly ever discover our own.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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This will never align in any way with CEFR as long as you produce decontextualised sentences and fail to explain the normal way of expressing something in the context of everyday social interaction rather than word by word 'translation'. Nor will it represent any kind of fluency - certainly not whilst the program's command of both languages is so poor. For example, if you happen to be Dutch looking at the English course, you will be told that 'Please stop' is a legitimate translation of 'Hou alsjeblieft op!' but not 'Stop, please'.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bookrabbit
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I think a useful and simple measure would be percentage gilded/ percentage complete. A simple fraction would be easy to display and easy to understand. The top would go down but the bottom would only go up. It could be plotted over time if they wanted to show learning stats. They could call it Course Mastery or something similiar and it would be much less ridiculous than a measure that goes down as your fluency goes up. which it often does as you complete the tree and use other resources.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spicybadger

Like it. Good recommendations. I did hear a podcast with the founder maybe a year ago, who said that the business model moving forward would be related to enable cheaper than market cost price of English language certification. I wonder if that is the reason they are sticking with the term "fluency".

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WildSage
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I don't understand why you mentioned me then ignored my question entirely.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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Still haven't tackled how it's possible to finish and gild a tree and have a fluency score of 13%...

Also, I'm afraid I have to agree with others that suggesting one can be 50-60% towards fluency from the tree alone is laughable.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cfholton
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I have a similar question about the relationship between full gilding and "fluency" score. My Spanish fluency dropped in a day from somewhere in the high 50s to 44. Before, during and after that drop, and in a period where my French score hovered at 57 or 58, I have kept my Spanish and French trees gilded with daily practice (miss a day every month or two), often doing some practice lessons beyond what it takes to stay gold. I don't miss often nor do I peek at words (except inadvertently if I bump the trackpad). Not sure why my scores are so different in two languages in which I follow the same strategy, nor why either score would have fallen since this metric has been implemented. I can't connect up what DuoLingo is saying about the calculation of this score, which I might call vocabulary strength, with my use of the lessons.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wstockall
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Another site had a feature that I think would be useful to add to the fluency estimate Duolingo has. It recognized that I was doing new material without having to "learn" it from that site and prompted me to "test" my existing knowledge. I think the fluency estimates would be much more accurate if Duolingo periodically tested to see what practice the users are getting outside Duolingo.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Emma337918

Thank you! I have been wondering why I have not even got 1% fluency on my Russian yet I have managed to complete several different subjects and after almost every lesson on those subjects I do a strengthening lesson so that I can remember how to phrase some sentences and remember the words. I am not aiming for fluency, but rather just some words to help me to understand some bits of it to understand parts of what some peope are saying. One question - what is CEFR?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Emily_ls

It does not seem that fluency scores are limited to Spanish, German, French, Portuguese, Italian, and English, as I have one for Danish.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/daughterofAlbion
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And I have one for Polish.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tokuhisa
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When will the share Fluency Score/Level with LinkedIn be restored?

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jimnicholson
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Very happy to hear this:

We are currently working on new systems that will let us more closely monitor the alignment of our courses with CEFR levels.

What would be great, is if instead of a % against some nebulous concept of fluency, you showed an estimated % against A1, A2, B1 etc.

Then I have a target I can actually achieve! Estimated 100% against A1 and 15% against A2, would be a smaller and more motivating goal.

Also personal diagnostics of my score would be useful - so it tells you to do more web and less app, use hints less, improve spelling, or work on your past tense, etc... What is it specifically I should concentrate on to raise my score? What action should I take?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spicybadger

This is a good point - there are many free online tests that can give a rough rating compared to CEFR. This might be one way to do it. Otherwise, you can simply go away and do one of these tests online for free to double check. For example, I am currently at 61% fluent on Duolingo in French, but in reality that doesn't mean very much, and this vastly overrates my real situation. I am from England, live in Paris, have passed the A2 level via DELF, and am currently studying for the B1 level. I would say that A1 is very simple, A2 much harder, and so on - IMO there is exponential improvement from A1-A2-B1-B2-C1-C2 and for that reason I would not put myself as "fluent" anywhere above 30% at the very most. For example, I know that you can post your Duolingo fluency scores to LinkedIn, but I am adverse to doing this as this would overpromise what I can deliver. Interesting conersation - would be intrigued to hear more of Duolingo's vision of this.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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And under-promise. Once you have a good functioning knowledge of the language you are not going to be practising it on here every day. Do you want a 3% score displayed?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Melarish
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Not 100% sure but I think it doesn't change once you've added it to Linkedin. Also it doesn't show the %, just says "intermediate" etc. You can always remove it from LI as well. And it doesn't go down that fast anyway. My French is down to 11% but that's after ~2 years of not touching it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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Can you, though? People have struggled to unlink Duo from Facebook.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Melarish
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Yes, you can remove any qualifications from LinkedIn. I accidentally added mine twice and removed one. If you want to be sure, you can make a fake test account and try it first :)

You can unlink stuff from Facebook by going to settings > apps and find the app you want to revoke permissions from.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WhatDoYouSee

That's a great idea! Those A, B, C levels are more international and give a better idea of how fluent someone is, rather than this "nebulous concept of fluency" as you called it. Or maybe it should show both? I think it's also good to know in percentage roughly how far one has come. How about this: percentage about how far one is with the lessons, but A, B, C levels for fluency?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Coyote356129

All good points.

But one of the most frustrating things is the perpetual instistance by Duo that you can achieve fluency between 50% and 60%. Everybody knows that you can get over 60%. I'm at 63% on Spanish, and just hit 70% on the upside down English Tree.

I assume I can get it even higher than 70%, because I still make a ton of mistakes, and don't even have my whole tree gold.

I've seen claims of scores in the 70's, and have always been skeptical. But I just hit 70%, so I know for a fact that it is possible.

As far as the notion that 50% or 60% or 70% is misleading, I'm not sure I agree. Even 70% is bad, if you're talking about mistake free communication. I'd say that it implies you make mistakes in about 1 out of 3 sentences. But it's enough to get by. It's enough to communicate your ideas. If you were stranded on a desert island with someone who only spoke that language, you would be able to talk to each other. It doesn't mean it would be eloquent.

Also, anybody who has gotten up the the high 50's on the app, or high 60's on the website, knows that the higher you get, the slower you are able to raise your score. It might have only taken 150 to hours or whatever to get to 50%. But it might take another 100 hours to get from 50 to 60. And 100 more to get from 60 to 70. And 1,000 hours to get from 70 to 80. And another 2,500 to get from 80 to 90. If that makes sense.

It's like an instrument. It doesn't take long to learn some chords. Maybe some scales. Play some basic songs. And you can claim that you play an instrument. But it takes thousands and thousands of hours to go from intermediate to advanced.

Getting to minimal fluency, 50% to 60%, can be done in months. But 90% fluency would take many years. The better you get, the harder it is to get better.

Think about it this way. If a native English speaker has a 4 year degree in English, then they are very competent in English. But a Master's Degree would make them even more competent. The difference would be minimal on a scale of fluency %. You might be talking about going from 89% English Fluency to 91% English Fluency. But it would take 8 hours a day for 2 years.

A PhD in English might make you 93% fluent (There's no such thing as 100%. Even PhD professors have different levels of competency.) But that would be another 2 years of your life.

I would guess that going from a 63% Duo score to say 80%, which is probably comensurate with a native speaker, could take 5 years.

So the mistake people are making is thinking that 60% is good. It's not. It's pretty terrible actually. But it's adequate for basic communication, and probably constitutes minimum A1 to A2 fluency.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie282520

This makes sense finally.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/biedrowski
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Okay

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RhiannSteenstrup

uh, Danish is not listed above, but I still get a fluency score on that, in fact, I'm in the early twenties.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SignoraWoods

I am new to duoLingo and to the Italian language. Since beginning my linguistic journey 18 days ago, I have not missed a day and often exceed the recommended number of activities.My fluency quickly went up to 5% but has since dropped to 4% despite my diligence. I cannot seem to get it back up again. What else do I need to do?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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Word to the wise - the fluency percentage is decidedly buggy and often doesn't really seem to relate to how much you've done and how well you know what you've studied. My best advice is not to worry about it.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PapyXM
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Now that I've seen evidences of those bugs, I agree with you.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/majianne
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I found that my fluency score started going up when I stopped peaking at words I didn't know and while still learning new material, making sure that I kept everything in gold. Duo seems to note when you make too many mistakes in whatever area (adjectives eg) and changes the colour from gold so that you have to redo that lesson..

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chooky3

Hello,

I am deaf, my English is my first language plus Auslan (Australian Sign Language).

I have been studying my second language in German FULL-TIME with German Duolingo, using ''reading and writing' EXPECT 'speak or hear'. (from 2/1/2016 to 12/3/2017) then revision every day/night)

I have completed German Duolingo, my fluent was 50% on 12/3/2017 then re-vision daily, my fluency is 62%.

I have no problems with fluency score as German words are still powerful than English words.

Practice makes perfect!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LSadun
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I've found that the fluency scores are really useful WITHIN a language. Hard work filling the tree (using the website and not just the phone app) and increased accuracy at answering questions, really pays off. There's a substantial time lag, but progressing month by month from single digits up to the 50s is both meaningful and satisfying.

However, comparing fluency ACROSS languages just doesn't work. I've finished four trees. My Italian is WAY better than my Spanish, which is WAY better than my fractured French, which is WAY better than my garbled German. I consistently get 90% on the timed Italian lessons (without peeking), and close to that in Spanish, while I make lots of mistakes in French, even with the clock turned off, and have to turn peek at a bunch of answers to get through a German lesson. I can converse in Italian and Spanish, I can ask for directions in French and understand the answer, but just buying a loaf of bread in German would be a challenge. Yet DL claims that my most fluent language is French, followed by German!

Bottom line: I hope that DL keeps the fluency scores, and extends them to more languages over time. But it would be nicer if the standards were consistent across languages.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/abigail_pearson

I miss the fluency score. Since I updated Duolingo on my laptop, only my "crown level" is shown, and I do not like the crown levels. I much preferred the XP and fluency percentage offered. I had completed my entire tree in Spanish, and now it is as if all progress has been lost. I am mourning the loss of my favorite academic foreign language resource.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daddy454735

My fluency shield just disappeared within the last couple of days. I could never see it on the mobile app, but now it isn't even showing on the desktop page. And I am learning German.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zekecoma

We should just remove it completely. It's a fake sense of gratification.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ekleo

Someone told me that they got 72%. Is that possible? Thank you!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nathan708191

I am doing Spanish but have no fluency score show up. Why is this and how can I see it?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PapyXM
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Your score is currently 4% in Spanish.

I'm learning Portuguese from scratch and make 100 XP a day. I saw once a 2% fluency score but most of the time the score doesn't show. Despite this, I know it's less than 1%, due to bugs in the algorithm.

In English my score was above 73% (73.4) and I suddenly lost 1% to 72.4 without any reason. Now I give up English as my goal was to reach 74% but if the rules are not fair then why would I persist ?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle
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Don't have any fluency shields. Did they disappear?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PapyXM
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Your Fluency ration in Hebrew is reset to 0. Maybe it's not available with all languages. The shield doesn't show if you get less than 1%.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle
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Hebrew doesn't have a fluency shield. I should have one for some other languages tho, but I don't and the German one just disappeared...

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle
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Hi, thanks for posting on my stream. I see it in notifications but I'm not sure where it is. Could you point me in the right direction to access "my stream"? Sorry, new user.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PapyXM
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To see your stream you'll have to logon on the website ( I don't think you can see it with a mobile app ). On the upper blue strip, click on the down arrow near the icon of your avatar and select Your profile. If you are lucky your stream should appear under the abstract of your profile (Picture, Name, Location). If it doesn't show, then you may be part of those who don't have access to the Activity Tab. But there is a workaround for that. Just logout and look at your page again, which is www.duolingo.com/kHXa3

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle
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Yes, I think I am one of the unlucky! Thanks for your help!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PapyXM
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You're welcome ;-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Suze546189

I am on level 7, my fluency went up to 6% then dropped to 2% and doesn't move. Also I can't do all the lessons until I am tested out on them all, which I haven't had because they were locked, and then I can redo them? Driving me nuts!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jen4hike

does the fluency score also decrease more quickly if you use Duolingo from the app and not the website?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/majianne
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I'm certain that it does. After six months, I had a score of 59% and then used my phone app while travelling. I couldn't always hear what was being said so I made a lot of mistakes. I dropped 10% in one day! A week and many hours of diligent and accurate work later the 49% remains! So discouraging.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BoCoKeith

Okay. I make mistakes. But I have EVERY skill full strength, practice between 50-200 points daily, have used DL for 60+ days in a row, and pick up new vocab each day. Something seems very wrong here.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KathPrune

37% fluent" is not something I would like to share on my LinkedIn profile ;) And I have finished what I you call the 'tree'. I still love Duolingo and I will keep up the practice. However, it would be great if you could have some kind of "advanced proficiency" badge for those who complete the tree, and perhaps keep it that way for a certain amount of time?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Destruction90

So... will we ever be able to get our fluency to 100%? I'm not sure about other people but I feel a real sense of accomplishment when that score goes up, even if it's just by a single point.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WhatDoYouSee

"So... will we ever be able to get our fluency to 100%?" No. That's the whole point of this topic and what many people here have been writing about. You can'ge get 100 % fluency. Read before writing.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Destruction90

I think you misunderstand. I got that you can't get 100% I only meant is this set in stone or could it change in the future? I've been here for awhile and the German course seems to have grown from where it was when I first signed up. Immersion was also a feature when I had signed on for the first time so not everything about the site has stayed.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WhatDoYouSee

I read "ever" as the way it is now. To which the answer is no. Will that change in the future? You answered your own question: "not everything about the site has stayed". So there may come a time when this will change. Personally, I don't think it makes much sense to change this particular aspect of the fluency score to be able to have 100 %. But I'm just another user, not creator, admin, mod or anything on duolingo with the power to change anything on how duolingo works or is run.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JoseTorre-Bueno

Also it appears the fluency score does not appear until you reach at least 1%, I was puzzled by the talk of fluency when I started because I could not see it and other people could. Once I got far enough it appeared. It actually disappeared when some skills were lowered with time and reappeared when I strengthened them.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ayobami116059

I am learning french and I can't see my fluency score

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WhatDoYouSee

Keep on learning and taking lessons. You need a certain amount of lessons and words, until it finally the first 1 % shows up, but it will in time. Just keep practising and taking lessons. :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ayobami116059

Ok thanks, I thought it would have shown up since I'm on level 8

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexKearney

I didnt know this existed, until once it popped up, you are now 1% fluent in French. Wow i was so happy

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zHhYEZIX

I am learning Spanish but don't get a fluency score but my partner started when I did and he gets one. How can I set it up?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WhatDoYouSee

This question has come up before in this conversation. The first 1 % doesn't show up until you've done a certain amount of lessons. Just keep doing more and more lessons and keep them all in the green. It'll come.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zHhYEZIX

Thanks for your help. It actually came up a few hours after I posted the question.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joy475635

Anyway you can reset my fluency score to what it was when I started? My microphone does not work, and I did not know to turn off the microphone on duolingo so my fluency has continued to go down from the original 42 percent I think and is now at 11, because I skip all the spoken phrases since no microphone.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WhatDoYouSee

First off, no offense, but why not start a topic of your own asking that specific question instead of making this long topic longer? Maybe someone else has the same question. Hard to find the answer here with all the replies. Never mind...

You want just all the speaking exercises out, because your mic doesn't work or reset the whole progress?

Speaking exercises out: Go on duolingo on your computer, this may not work on your phone, if you access it that way. On the top right corner is your name. Click on it, it opens a drop-down menu. Go to settings (third from the top). You'll reach the account settings page. First comes your user name, your e-mail and then microphone. Just set that on off.

Resetting your progress: Go on duolingo on your computer, this may not work on your phone, if you access it that way. On the top right corner is your name. Click on it, it opens a drop-down menu. Go to settings (third from the top). You'll reach the account settings page. On the right side you'll find a menu now. First is "account", is where you are now. Go to the second "Learning language". First comes "Learning language" and you can choose a language. Then "see all languages", then a link with "Reset or remove languages". Click on that link. It'll get you to a page which lists all the languages you ever selected on "Learning language:". You have two options: a) reset progress or b) remove. Obviously, if you just want to start fresh, just reset it. If you decide not to learn that language anymore at all, cklick "remove".

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmandaMaye5

Where do we find our fluency?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiWMu8

I am learning Spanish, but there is no fluency score there, at all, any ideas?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/T_Late
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It must be that the phone app version and the online version of Duo calculate fluency somewhat independently, right? I have different a different Spanish fluency score reported on the app than in my web browser.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larissa95016

Does anyone know when duolingo will create the fluency scores for other languages?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ves_McVoid
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If we ever get online events, could it be possible for us to increase our fluency through them?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Woof.
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Online events?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ShitakiHero23
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So! How's the fluency score working with the languages other than the originals?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alvandiar
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So technically, can a user achieve 100% fluency ? I mean, besides completed skill tree, a user can strengthen his skill using "strenghen skills" feature. Because, from my experience when i completed a skill tree, my fluency scores is not 50-60% but 79%.

Thanks

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nyharel
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When you finish a tree for the first time, your fluency score will probably be low - even lower than 50%, and that's fairly accurate - the fact that you just finished the last test about some obscure tense or narrow topic doesn't mean that you really remember all the exercises you did a month ago on the other topics in the tree. Making the entire tree gold is harder and probably means that you really remember much of everything, and will earn you a higher score, around 60%-70%. But still, making a skill gold just means you were able to eventually answer every question. It doesn't mean you don't make mistakes. And this is what (if I understand correctly) can continue to increase your fluency score - if you repeat the exercises and start making fewer and fewer mistakes. At some point, you stop making embarrassing spelling mistakes, you stop mixing up the noun genders, or getting the word order randomly right or wrong or mishearing what the computer speaks out quickly to you. At some point you stop blacking out on what a word means and needing to use the word hints. When you stop making these mistakes, you really become more fluent in the language, and your fluency score will increase. Probably not to 100% (nobody's perfect!).

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idkhbtfm
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no, 100% fluency is not attainable

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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Longer trees such as German can get a higher score, but it's not possible to get to 100% on any. Even Duolingo aren't delusional enough to claim you can become 100% just from their courses!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cfholton
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True. I only have three DL languages to compare, but it seems to me that testing out of skills may have you end up with a lower fluency percentage than completing each of them lesson by lesson. Intuitively, being able to test out seems to suggest higher real fluency. Keeping a tree gold for a year or more doesn't seem to have changed the fluency percentage much (except at times when I think Duolingo was probably changing the fluency algorithm since all of my language scores changed).

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/qwertyface

pshh whatever, i scored a 68% in french that's almost a "C" irl and that ain't not bad :P besides, it's just an app that's supposed to help you with just the basics of a language. i wasnt expecting to become fluent just by using this app alone. it shouldn't be taken so seriously. also, i dont think there's anything wrong with the fluency score. it works fine, i think there's definitely something to it though.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SantoshVen3
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Wow so I am as fluent Duolingo-level as I can possibly be! Congrats to me

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ryan281951

Can you make irish compatable for the fluency score

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matthew.wangler

I'm only a little over half way through my tree and already have hit 61% fluency in German... I thought the limit was 50-60%? My percentage has been increasing at a regular rate as I progress through the lessons, so if the past is any indication of the future I'd expect it to keep on going. Did the algorithm change?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wstockall
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I'm kind of wondering that myself. Quite a while ago I finished the German tree. I put a lot of effort into reinforcing it, even though all the skills were at full strength. I never got above 49%. I recently finished the Spanish tree and came back to the German tree. I still don't have everything gold again, but now I'm up to 67% fluency. I can only assume they changed the algorithm somehow.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/biedrowski
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What's the maximum you can get?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iJeoo

Why can’t see my Fluency Score on the mobile app anymore?

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cfholton
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They removed the fluency scores when they stopped letting us use skills strength, moving everybody onto the crowns system which is about repetition rather than sustained mastery. The fluency score went with the degree of mastery system rather than the newer repetition/crowns system.

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gaara498296

I still can't find my fluency score

8 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Potamus1124

how do i find out my fluency

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Potamus1124

im learning spanish, but i dont see one

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/springtimechorus

Hello, Duolingo. All my courses are mentioned above, but I see no fluency score. I used to see it in my Spanish course when I first downloaded it month or a few months ago, but now I don't.

Where is it?

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cfholton
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Hi, springtimechorus. DuoLingo has a new model now. DL used to give us several indicators of skill strength -- by vocabulary word, lesson and language. Fluency was the name they gave to the language level skill strength indicator. A couple of months ago, they went to a system that does not provide skills strength indicators but only number of repetitions, so you can't tell anymore when DL's algorithms think you need to review a particular topic to maintain fluency, but you can see how many times you have visited that topic until, I think, you hit a maximum count and that skill turns back gold. Once it is gold after approximately a billion repetitions of just a few sentences, it never stops being gold like it used to unless you kept reviewing it occasionally. I'm not sure I have checked to see what happens under this new system if you repeat a skill once it's already gold to know whether you get any additional repetition indicators.

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/celialacorte06

I had fluency and i am learning Spanish. But now i also have crown levels. But my fluency's aren't there anymore. Where did they go?

7 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AudreyLuna2018

I am studying French but I can’t find my fluency score. How do I get to it?

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WhatDoYouSee

Well, welll... Didn't have that one in a long time here. I suggest searching this topic for "can't see", "can't find" or maybe "my fluency score". Several people have asked the same question and many replied to that problem already.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aliweb4
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Oh thank you. All is explained now. Appreciated!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MandeSant401
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There's always a handful of people that enjoy monopolizing the exchange of ideas and Duolingo has a few of them that enjoy it so much that they seem to forget that the whole thing is gratis. Allow me to apologize for being too premature in criticizing my fellow language learners. I really knew nothing about this suject until today! I just received my very first report although I have been studying for a couple of years. WOW!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nicolsia

Thank you for answering that. I was wondering why it didn't increase with each skill!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idkhbtfm
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Thanks for this helpful post! I'll be sure to reference it whenever anyone has questions about the fluency score!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Beta-Tron
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2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper
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Ok fair explenation but I would say it's not the most relevant measurement for Duolingo's teaching unless you guys plan on adding more voc.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/user325-9873598

I don't think you should allow downvoting. It's a form of cyberbullying.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RyanSkywalker

Formatted comment that is not true.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/user325-9873598

Go away plz.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RyanSkywalker

I'll stay.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iToochPlayer

Finally this question was answered.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elizabeth261736

It's been answered many times before. This is nothing new.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iToochPlayer

I mean in depth more and being more descriptive.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wombatua
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Sorry, I don't see anything new. What "HelpfulDuo" wrote is the same corporate claptrap they've been spouting all along. I've decided, for instance, that I no longer need to strengthen the basic exercises in German because I know those words backwards and forwards. I'm not going to forget them just because I haven't practiced them in Duolingo's environment. I'm not going to lose fluency - certainly not by some percentage that's based - maybe- on "research" that Duolingo isn't brave enough to defend by citing sources and using footnotes, like any good scholar. Frankly, "fluency" on Duolingo is equivalent to the refuse of male cattle. Did I know half of German when I finished the tree? Hardly.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
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And surprise, surprise, there are never any replies to the replies.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iToochPlayer

Somebody should fix/moniter the fluency score so it works accurately and runs smoothly.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rosie759525

I agree! The fluency score is so inaccurate it makes me not want to come to the site! My strength in medical fell to 1/5 even though I am a nurse and get lots of practice in that area.

1 year ago
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