Dreams for Duolingo?
Bonus question from the series Ask us about Duolingo, Round 2!
What is the future for Duolingo in the minds of the creators? What are the dreams that people like Luis have, that normally wouldn't be shared with us, unless we are asking, like I am right now?
We LOVE this question. We asked Luis about a Duolingo dream that he wouldn’t normally share, and his response was this:
“Chatbot becomes like ‘Her,’ a real friend for you in the language you’re learning. I have many big dreams for Duolingo and how it can change the world, but that's definitely one I wouldn't normally share!”
Are there dreams you have about how you will use the language you're learning on Duolingo? We want to hear them!
My dream for Duolingo, one of the main reasons I volunteer here, goes beyond just myself being able to learn languages. I want to support other people learning languages and along their way deepening the empathy for people all around the globe. I hope it will be a humanizing experience for millions (billions?) of people. I hope it will ultimately reduce violence, increase compassion, and build an ever growing appreciation for diversity. And at the very furthest reaches of my dream, Duolingo's ripples aid the survival of our species and better the planet for all inhabitants. (It is a very grand dream.) ^_^
I totally agree with you, Usagi! It is the main goal, from my point of view too. A language tells us a lot about a People, and the better we know their language, the better we understand their culture. That builds solid bridges toward mutual comprehension. That is also what our saying "Hablando se entiende la gente" states ;) (See http://www.linguee.com/spanish-english/translation/hablando+se+entiende+la+gente.html).
Thanks a lot for sharing your dream with us. :)
Yes, usagiboy 7 says it so well there is little I can add except that while the course teaches us the basics of the language Immersion teaches us how the actual language is used with all its nuances. Without Immersion we would be losing a valued learning aid in addition to a wonderful chance to read literature in the source language and get invaluable advice from other learners, native and no native users, on how the language is really used.
I coudnt have said it better, if immersion stops i'll stop with DL.! And ......Usagiboy..... I agree Immersion is more then learning languages, its also helping others.
No need to worry about that, you didn't reveal anything whatsoever. I, and I'm sure many others too, have no clue what you're talking about. If you won't clarify, the only conclusion I can come to is that you just like making vague hints.
One only needed to watch how this thread cleaned up to see what HalJam is talking about.
My dream for Duolingo is to retain immersion which is a very valuable tool for both language learning and for furthering any goal of deeper understanding between cultures. Yet we are given to understand that immersion is on the way out.
My second dream is that Luis listens to the increasingly desperate pleas of immersion users who find this aspect of Duo the most important and rewarding. PLEASE KEEP IMMERSION!
Ditto! I have been using Duolingo since May of 2015. I have used it every day (no real skips yet!) for more than 430 days. I am not going into the details of what the last sentence entailed. It has become a family affair for me, my kids and my wife (when she can). I refer to Duolingo to everyone that mentions "foreign language" and then to some. Immersion is an essential feature to my foreign language goals. If Duolingo gives up on the immersion feature I guarantee that someone else will pick up the idea to the future loss of Duolingo. Let us know what we can help with to keep Immersion!
A big Yes!!! The Immersion project must go on! And I think the chat, words, or every new feature has to help everyone to reinforce and improve the language skills for All Duolingo courses.
Hi, some lingots for you. Since immersion is gome I am no loger interested in DL. Have anice day.
Hi, have some lingots in return, I am barely using the site myself since the loss of immersion :-))
Have you seen this new forum started by JoThelan? I think you might find what you are looking for here. http://communitytranslation.freeforums.net
Look forward to seeing you there perhaps? :-))
I would like the chance to get immersion. I wonder if there are more quitters amongst us outsiders who have not been given it. If we need to sign a disclaimer I would sign. Or buy it with all these lingots I am amassing.
I hadn't thought about numbers quitting. That might be a good question for HelpfulDuo, if they post again. They certainly need to resolve the issue - either give us all immersion or replace with something else that allows you to tackle more advanced material on this platform.
I find that very disturbing. I should prefer the site to facilitate us meeting real people and making real, though far-flung friends we wouldn't otherwise have encountered, with whom we can share our languages and culture. Not to seek to have us conversing with a creepy bot.
While that is all very well for people who are social, those of us who find people disturbing will greatly appreciate the bot.
And it's not only about finding people disturbing. Some people are not seeing the great picture here. Well, I didn't have a chance to experiment Bot yet, but it seems it would be great, and if Luis dreams come true it would be so amazing for so many individuals who are just to shy to start a conversation, or don't have anyone to practice the language with, don't have the opportunity to travel to that country where the language you're learning is spoken...there are so many great things people could be positive about Luis' dream.
I hope it works.
And, well, he's not planning on ending with face to face interaction, if you're fortunate enough you could have both.
Also, there are others websites where you can find people to interact first by internet and later in person.
I respect your desire to meet and learn from real-life people but if you're wanting duolingo to provide that (apart from informal interaction in the forums and on your own profile page) I think you are going to be continually disappointed. The approach duolingo has taken right from the start has been a machine-centric approach and one important reason for that is that it scales. You're probably better off looking at a site like lang-8 to provide the kind of interaction you're describing.
The IMDB Parent Guide editor of Her, of course. I am never watching that movie for a while.
You shut your eyes? I'm not surprised. A very, very creepy person wrote that.
Why would you not watch it? It's a great movie.
At least until I'm old enough to actually see the movie (a few years from now)
To be fair, if that's what you're looking for you can find it already, at least if you participate in the discussions for a particular course. I've made several friends through the Russian course, I was able to meet some of them in Russia this summer.
My dream for duolingo is that they offer second 'advanced' trees, that you can access after you finished the original tree. I would love them to contain more advanced aspects of grammar and more vocabulary. My dream is that they would get you to a good B1 level.
I would prefer a second tree to an expansions of original trees, as those huge trees might be intimidating to beginners - and not everybody needs/wants to get to B1.
Chatbot becomes like Her?
Does that mean that we'll fall in love with it before it betrays us and runs away to form an AI community?
Yes, because people should only care about the things you do, otherwise they're funny.
Aah, high school.
I have a dream! :)
1. Keep the Immersion and all the Duolingo features for all the courses!!!
The Immersion project must go on! And I think the chat, words, or every new feature has to help everyone to reinforce and improve the language skills for All Duolingo courses.
My dream is for Duolingo to add something like readlang to its immersion feature and open it up for everyone. Reading is a great way to learn a language and translating is also very helpful. They could also add a feature to work with audio and video in different languages. I just think it's sad that such an important part of Duolingo is not available to everyone.
Wow that's a lot of support I think Duolingo had better listen to that. I can't figure out why that question didn't come up in the Duolingo Q and A series, I believe this is very important to a lot of people.
I wonder why they seem so reluctant to continue emersion even though it obviously is very popular among the DL user that have access to it.
Duolingo hired the creator of readlang so something like this might be coming. But only might; they may have him working on something else.
Ugh. I don't know how good Readlang is for the languages you are studying but it was very disappointing for Swedish. Until it can determine ö from o and ä from å from a it is pretty useless for some languages.
Without exchange of opinions on a translation/situation would remain an ordinary course, as it can find dozens. The interaction in real time, actually makes him more than a special course. For second time, please keep IMMERSION!
My dream is that Duolingo becomes THE GOTO place for any and all human language related learning skills and/or knowledge base. Thus, I would be able to reach anyone in the global village and communicate with through Duolingo!
Hello everyone, I have dreams for Duolingo for US. Share ! Read ! Learn ! Talk ! Write ! Translate ! Explain ! Laugh ! etc... We're a great team. Together we're stronger, because what I don't know anybody else knows it and he will explain to me. Please correct my errors I'm French.
My dream is for Duolingo to become the go-to way to learn a language. For me that would include the grammar notes in the mobile app, that's pretty important for me. It would also be great if they added a difficulty setting in the settings, but I get that you can just do the reverse tree. I also want more major languages to be added, specifically Arabic and Mandarin. But other than that, I think it's amazing how it is.
Oh my goodness, I never thought my question would actually ever be answered! Thank you so much for answering, I'm so honored to have had Luis answer my question! I love the chatbots, and I love Duolingo, and it the idea of the chatbots getting to know you, kind of like a Siri thing, sounds really interesting!
My dream is for Duolingo to eventually become more than just a learning tool: a repository of knowledge that documents the full vocabulary and syntax of ALL of the world's languages - including extinct ones to the extent that it is possible - and places them in an "advanced" tree so big that it would almost literally take you a lifetime to complete.
Wow, you all are really going all out tonight getting so many answered.
My dream is that duolingo opens up the incubator and their existing language courses to open collaboration for course development, maintenance and improvement. Something like how open source software projects work (using websites like github). I hope to write a longer post on how I think this could work shortly.
I agree that Immersion is about to learn and help each others and It was the best way to improve my knowledge in different languages. Immersion is the ''heart and the breathing''of Duolingo and makes it unique. Without ''heart'', Duolingo will die. Without Immersion Duolingo will be just another language learning site... PLEASE KEEP IMMERSION!
Completamente de acuerdo. Esto para empezar, y ¿por qué no seguir soñando, por qué no griego clásico, sánscrito...?
The only problem with ancient languages is that we have limited information and litterature about them. That is not saying it's little, just that we have a certain limit to what can be taught.
If we have formal grammars (written by native speakers at the time that the language was widely spoken), a wide extant literature from which to draw grammar, and and a reliable understanding of the phonetics, I don't see there is a problem - at least as far as the A2-B1 level that Duolingo aspires to. All these exist for Latin, Classical Greek and Sanskrit.
Yet I still don't understand why there aren't any courses on DL of these languages yet.
I don't think you're going to suffer from lack of literature when dealing with a Latin course if I'm honest...
Si el problema que puede provocar la desaparición de Inmersión es la cantidad de memoria que ocupan las traducciones ¿por qué no eliminar las más antiguas, las menos activas, las menos valoradas, ect.?
Yo no creo que sea un problema de espacio en los servidores de Duolingo sino algo que, mal que nos pese a todos, ya lo explicaron bastante los moderadores en el foro (en inglés) y que tiene que ver con la calidad de las traducciones y que entonces ya no servían para el financiamiento de nuevos cursos y utilidades. El personal de Duolingo simplemente decidió suspender el proyecto de inmersión y usar los recursos para desarrollar las nuevas utilidades que ahora se presentan para facilitar el aprendizaje de idiomas a más personas, lo que no significa que hayan decidido quitar por completo la herramienta de inmersión. Pienso ahora que lo que estamos clamando a viva voz es que la inmersión se mantenga y que sea abierta para todos los cursos y que al menos desde el personal de Duolingo nos den algunas noticias al respecto. Algunos moderadores (globales) simplemente no saben si el personal de Duolingo decidirá cerrar la inmersión por completo, pero sin embargo temen que esto suceda.
Mi opinión personal
En lo estrictamente personal, pienso que un poco más adelante veremos diferentes cambios dentro de la herramienta de inmersión, o posiblemente también un cambio total que coloque a los usuarios en un plano mayor de equidad con respecto a los niveles alcanzados en el aprendizaje de los cursos de idiomas y con esto no me estoy refiriendo a los números de nivel con un máximo de 25 sino con respecto a los niveles comunes de referencia, ver enlace: (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Com%C3%BAn_Europeo_de_Referencia_para_las_lenguas) pero que también podrá mantener y mejorar los alcances hechos por cada usuario dentro de la inmersión. Según esto, y por lo ya expresado por Luis con respecto al nivel de referencia alcanzado a través de Duolingo (ver video de Entrevista interactiva Duolingo: Luis von Ahn: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0vpQ57bBSY) ¿Qué nivel se puede alcanzar? 02:33 y ¿Práctica de conversación? 15:46 donde Luis ya había anticipado algunas de las utilidades presentadas), un usuario cualquiera que comienza a aprender un idioma puede llegar a posicionarse en el nivel B (entre B1 y B2, usuario independiente) luego de terminar un curso y con vistas a ingresar en el nivel C, de usuario competente, con la ayuda de la inmersión y otras utilidades nuevas como el chat (Duolingo Bots, para inglés, español, alemán y francés), el refuerzo de habilidades, conversación con hablantes nativos, hacer viajes y todas las formas de ejercitación que tal usuario desee agregar por fuera de Duolingo. Pero insisto que esto es simplemente lo que imagino, a título personal, que puede suceder y no se trata de una sugerencia, sino que creo además que si el cambio a realizarse es todavía superador me alegraría mucho más, pero siempre y cuando se encuentre la manera de que cualquier usuario pueda acceder al uso de la inmersión desde un nivel de referencia determinado y por supuesto quitando todas las restricciones que tienen los usuarios nuevos para usar la inmersión en este momento. Es así como veo que tanto los usuarios nuevos como los más avanzados se verán mucho más beneficiados, ya que los usuarios nuevos simplemente se concentrarán en practicar y reforzar el vocabulario aprendido dentro del nivel básico A, a través de documentos más cortos y con oraciones cortas que contengan esas palabras mientras que los usuarios avanzados que, además de haber aprendido gran parte de las habilidades o hayan completado un curso, demuestren a su vez una mayor dedicación en el tiempo, reforzamiento de las palabras y proactividad seguirán dedicándose a traducir trabajos literarios de mayor envergadura y textos aún más complejos. Si a esto se le agrega un contador de rachas para la inmersión pero que simplemente mida la cantidad de días usados en el mes con la cantidad de documentos terminados por cada mes y el total de documentos contando un día por cada documento terminado, donde cada usuario pueda también elegir la cantidad de días de racha a cumplir por mes (por ejemplo, de 1 a 5, de 6 a 10, 11 a 15, 16 a 20, etcétera) entonces solamente quienes cumplan con esa racha pueden acceder y mantenerse en el nivel más alto, de lo contrario se quedan en el nivel intermedio y pueden subir al nivel avanzado luego de mantener la racha de inmersión durante un mes. Pienso que tal mejora sería un gran desafío para los usuarios más avanzados y que además puedan traducir documentos con los usuarios en el nivel intermedio para ayudarles a cumplir su racha pero sin que se cuenten estos documentos en su propia racha, sino que se cuenten dentro del total.
En parte, creo que este modo de facilitar la inmersión por un lado para usuarios más expertos y por otro lado para los usuarios principiantes y de menor edad ya se intenta poner en práctica desde el equipo vietnamita de Duolingo para estudiantes de inglés. Desde Duolingo ya se ha creado un Portal de inmersión gracias a la subida de documentos por un moderador, un ejemplo que pienso que también los otros equipos tratarán de imitar:
(Por el momento este Portal de inmersión inglés vietnamita se encuentra suspendido, con discusión cerrada)
(Suspended) [EN→VI] Immersion Portal: November | Vận dụng * (https://www.duolingo.com/comment/16957789)
(Primer posteo del mes de agosto, archivado)
[Archived (31/8/2016)] An August gift from Luis: Immersion articles! * (https://www.duolingo.com/comment/16991964)
Un usuario incluso donó varios lingots para incentivar a otros a colaborar y hacer más y mejores traducciones:
(Posteo de ChauLe3)
Topic tổng hợp các bài post của ChauLe3 trong Immersion * (https://www.duolingo.com/comment/17165811)
Por último, según el moderador del curso de inglés, mod An (https://www.duolingo.com/pmyt), las traducciones están siendo monitoreadas para mejorar las habilidades del curso de inglés, como también para reportar abusos:
(Ver posteo del mes de septiembre de pmyt, mod An)
([Archived (30/9/2016)] Immersion Portal: September * (https://www.duolingo.com/comment/17028581)
Your translations will be used to help improve your language skills tree (specifically EN→VI tree), so when you translate you are helping all other contributors lessen their loads.
Ahora solo nos queda esperar a que el personal informe qué noticias tiene sobre la inmersión y si se hará algún cambio o mejora dentro de algunos meses o en uno o dos años. O si se habilitará la inmersión en cada curso sin que existan cambios profundos en el menor plazo posible, que es también lo que gran parte de la comunidad desea. =)
Muchas gracias por la respuesta. Y, si es eso lo que planean, me parece muy acertado.
Creo que dividir a los usuarios por niveles puede facilitar el progreso de todos, ya que siempre he creído que enfrentarse a algo para lo que uno no está suficientemente preparado normalmente desanima a seguir con la tarea, mientras que si tiene las herramientas necesarias para enfrentarse a los problemas que se le plantan y los resuelve, la autoestima se va a las nubes.
I have a dream.....for Duolingo! In the timed mode for practise, the timer is constantly ticking... Can it be paused when reporting a problem, reading your answer correction and discussing the question. There is no need for the timer to continue ticking at this part of the training, only when answering the question. That is my dream and I hope that the timer only ticks during the question in the future. :)
But wait, there's more. I dream that there can be Latin and Ancient Greek courses, especially a Latin course!! Please make my dreams come true!
But wait, there is even more...I dream for a week/two day/three day streak freeze cause if you go on holidays, you lose your streak! Plz consider!
My dream for Duolingo is to listen to dialogue and translate. Rather than seeing the words in front of us immediately, I would like to be hearing the phrases and try to work out what they say before i read the script. I have found with Duolingo that my listening skills are very poor, whereas I can work out the script in front of me quite well due to the context. I often shut my eyes as i click to advance and try to determine what is being said before I view the text. Unfortunately, many of the pages are unspoken text only so I have to open my eyes again.
My dream in the "duolingo" is a fully audio version for the blind helping the blind learn another language.
i feel like if im going to learn a language i need to write more in that language and with duo lingo i spell alot more in my native tounge. Can we please change it so that we can answer spelling in the language we are learning. Most os the lessons i take i know whats there but im translating to english and i want it the opposite way around. Thank you
My dreams for Duolingo are: 1- Make bots even better, more fluidity, larger range of answers, more possibilities. 2- Putting the ''tips and hints'' that we have on the web version and add it onto mobile version that we can reach easily and effortlessly. 3- A Duolingo that goes beyond the tree, a Duolingo that gives you more than just the basis. Thus, an advanced course, that includes clarifications about some topics, learning exceptions and harder yet more literature vocabulary/way to make sentences.
Those are my expectations for Duolingo. :) I hope some people do share my view :)
I would really like it to learn what parts of a language I am generally good at and what parts I am worse at. Then, when I "Practice" by hitting the practice button, it tailors lessons to my needs rather than repeating the most basic lessons from the start - especially when I haven't been keeping up for a while!!
I would love a chat bot for learning Italian. I love the chat bots for French and Spanish. I think that a chat bot for Italian would really take my learning to the next level by being able to use the skills I have learned here and use them in a more real life situation. I hope there will be chat bots for practicing Italian soon! :)
My dream for Duolingo is that people could learn every language there is but personally, I want to travel and move to Spain etc. so I am very grateful to duolingo for this opportunity
I have completed the Spanish language course but want to learn MORE spanish. I need more exercises, more vocabulary, etc. Please create an Intermediate course! Thanks
Perhaps the ability to create an avatar? I know it sounds naive, but its just so fun!
As of yet, probably not the kind that you're thinking of. But, there are two options. You can do the reverse tree. (So, English for Spanish speakers.) It is simple in the beginning and then gets harder as you go. The next option is to ladder from Spanish. That is, learn another language from Spanish, such as French, German, etc. :)
You can always do Immersion. It gets as hard as you want! For audio/video I use various movie sources... HTH
My dream for Duolingo is for Pig Latin to become a language to learn. Another one of my dreams to be able to get the languages into Beta!
I wish that when you did the strengthening skills it would incorporate all the skills the user has learned up to that point, instead of just being the easy basic stuff.
My dream is that me and my NICE NICE NICE friend at school would work at as doctors. And you know what the best part is? I get more money.
JK lol i actually want to become a game developer and make an awesome game available in 50 different languages. I hope everyone loves it!! ☺